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[Hardy Boy]

Did I say any of what you have claimed above?  Comprehension is clearly not your strong point.

I said Chief Sup Harris along with Dr Craig designated the soc murder/suicide long before DCI Jones arrived.

Nope, your trying to be very clever like your being with Stan and the window climbing,  you never included the word Designation, your downplaying your response…

formed the opinion, based on decades of experience, long before DCI Jones arrived…. You didn’t say “designation”   you said “formed the opinion, based on decades of experience.”

Comprehension might not be be my strongest point, but spotting a bullshitter is!

[Cambridgecutie]

From Harris, he had a brief discussion with Taff when he arrived,  and they had an appointment at Chelmsford Head Post Office at 10.30am  so left the scene with Detective Chief Inspector JONES at
9.34am.  Great detective work of a major crime scene and I I must apologise looks like Taffs cameo was 34mins and not 30 mins.

Chief Sup Harris and Dr Craig designated the soc murder/suicide based on decades of experience.

DCI Jones was one of the last officers to arrive at soc.  He checked all the windows were secured from within and made various notes in his pocket book about the soc all of which supported murder/suicide.

The post mortems supported murder/suicide.

Soc officers, under the supervision of DC Cook: DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and DC Bird captured all relevant evidence at the soc: extensive photography, casings, exited bullets, casings, samples of blood stains to carpets and wallpaper.  (As DC Hammersley told the court at trial nothing of evidential value was lost). 

All supported murder/suicide. 

A review was instructed.  This was undertaken by Det Sup Kenneally.  He too came to the conclusion of murder/suicide.

It was murder/suicide until DS Jones conspired with the relatives to get the ball rolling on 5 x murders. 

[Hardy Boy]

Chief Sup Harris and Dr Craig designated the soc murder/suicide based on decades of experience.

DCI Jones was one of the last officers to arrive at soc.  He checked all the windows were secured from within and made various notes in his pocket book about the soc all of which supported murder/suicide.

The post mortems supported murder/suicide.

Soc officers, under the supervision of DC Cook: DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and DC Bird captured all relevant evidence at the soc: extensive photography, casings, exited bullets, casings, samples of blood stains to carpets and wallpaper.  (As DC Hammersley told the court at trial nothing of evidential value was lost). 

All supported murder/suicide. 

A review was instructed.  This was undertaken by Det Sup Kenneally.  He too came to the conclusion of murder/suicide.

It was murder/suicide until DS Jones conspired with the relatives to get the ball rolling on 5 x murders.

Again your jumping in with stupid comments,  Harris and Craig formed that view before:
   •   full scene examination,
   •   post-mortems,
   •   SOC processing,
   •   any formal review.  And a 25 minute cameo appearance.

We all know how long Taffs appearance was, so he conducted a full scale evaluation of a 5x murder scene, he had time to do a full window check in the 25 minute appearance and came to the conclusion Murder/suicide.

You alleging that DS Jones conspired with the relatives is a serious claim. If there is evidence for that, it should be stated. If not, it’s just your speculation.

[Bubo bubo]

I am sure I read a statement where it says they struggled to enter the kitchen because Nevil was behind the door Bubo? But cannot now find it anywhere.

It looks like the top of page 5 is where it may have been cut out? Or have I gone nutty!
   

It  looks to me like they rewrote the page. The '5' has longer gaps with the hyphens.

[Bubo bubo]

It  looks to me like they rewrote the page. The '5' has longer gaps with the hyphens.

It is on page 5 that the statement outlines the found position of NB with his head in the scuttle. If they moved him to this position they would have to create a new page 5.

[Adam]

Chief Sup Harris and Dr Craig designated the soc murder/suicide based on decades of experience.

DCI Jones was one of the last officers to arrive at soc.  He checked all the windows were secured from within and made various notes in his pocket book about the soc all of which supported murder/suicide.

The post mortems supported murder/suicide.

Soc officers, under the supervision of DC Cook: DS Davidson, DC Hammersley and DC Bird captured all relevant evidence at the soc: extensive photography, casings, exited bullets, casings, samples of blood stains to carpets and wallpaper.  (As DC Hammersley told the court at trial nothing of evidential value was lost). 

All supported murder/suicide. 

A review was instructed.  This was undertaken by Det Sup Kenneally.  He too came to the conclusion of murder/suicide.

It was murder/suicide until DS Jones conspired with the relatives to get the ball rolling on 5 x murders.

The agreement on the day was murder/suicide. Mainly as Bamber was insinuating it.

Once evidence was processed it became murder.

[Cambridgecutie]

The agreement on the day was murder/suicide. Mainly as Bamber was insinuating it.

Once evidence was processed it became murder.

What did JB tell officers that was factually incorrect?

[Adam]

What did JB tell officers that was factually incorrect?

Nevill called him & Sheila knew how to use the weapons.

Nevill did not like involving the police.

He had rang Witham.

[Cambridgecutie]

Nevill called him & Sheila knew how to use the weapons.

The physical evidence at soc supports NB calling JB.  SC evidently knew how to use the rifle because she murdered 4 people with it and took her own life. 

Nevill did not like involving the police.

It is well documented that the Bambers (June and NB) were very private people concerning family matters.

He had rang Witham.

He?  NB?  If this is what you're claiming, JB claimed this years later.  It is not something I agree with.  There is no evidence that NB called anyone other than JB and this is supported by the soc. 

[Jane]

Nevill called him & Sheila knew how to use the weapons.

Nevill did not like involving the police.

He had rang Witham.

I believe he also told them that Sheila had previously attempted suicide.

[Hardy Boy]

What did JB tell officers that was factually incorrect?

Nothing,  and your right to ask this, he was the only witness alive, so they were bound to listen to him, but there is a difference between listening and believing,  an open mind should be maintained until evidence is gathered, and it goes back to my earlier comment….. tunnel vision…. tunnel vision" refers to a harmful cognitive bias leading to a narrow-minded investigation,

[Adam]

The physical evidence at soc supports NB calling JB.  SC evidently knew how to use the rifle because she murdered 4 people with it and took her own life. 

It is well documented that the Bambers (June and NB) were very private people concerning family matters.

He?  NB?  If this is what you're claiming, JB claimed this years later.  It is not something I agree with.  There is no evidence that NB called anyone other than JB and this is supported by the soc.

There is a very narrow window where Nevill could phone Bamber. After receiving his 4 shots & before the kitchen attack. However huge benefits of the doubt have to applied on multiple issues.

Please provide the source that Nevill did not like involving the police when someone has 'gone crazy' with a gun.

Bamber said he rang Witham.

[Adam]

I believe he also told them that Sheila had previously attempted suicide.

Believe he also said Sheila had committed child abuse.

Later toned down to hitting the twins in a car. Something he was the only alive witness for.

[Hardy Boy]

The physical evidence at soc supports NB calling JB.  SC evidently knew how to use the rifle because she murdered 4 people with it and took her own life. 
 

Here we go again Cutie and her “SOCS”.  “SOC” as she likes to put it,  is being used to make her post sound unchallengeable, when in fact,  the courts rejected this, and Sheila was found to be a victim, and not the shooter as you say, so EVIDENTLY as you put it, has no factual basis.

The courts found that Sheila was murdered by Bamber. They did not find that Sheila murdered four people and took her own life and they rejected there was a call from Neville to Bamber.

[Hardy Boy]

It is well documented that the Bambers (June and NB) were very private people concerning family matters.

So we’ve heard,  but Being private about family matters doesn’t mean someone wouldn’t seek emergency help in a crisis. Was there some family code of conduct,  “Do not call 999 under any circumstances”?  Was this supported by your “SOC” as well?