Allegedly biased summing up by the judge

[Adam]

What's this "fully fit'thing you always say?

He had a weight and height greater than Shelia.

I am 6 foot 4, my Mrs is 5 5 tops, if she has a firearm she can shoot me. I am not use to love or ornament.

Do you agree if Nevill could not calm Sheila down by talking, he would seek help from June or physically restrain Sheila.

Bamber said himself he would be of no use & acted accordingly.

[ILB]

Do you agree if Nevill could not calm Sheila down by talking, he would seek help from June or physically restrain Sheila.

Bamber said himself he would be of no use & acted accordingly.

Honest answer I am not sure, I dont know the family dynamics.

I dont know what I would do in such a scenario. If Shelia is gulity, I dont know for certain how it played out. I can just create scenarios for forum fodder.

When did Bamber say that?

Although it was clear that Shelias problems were liked to be kept quiet and insular.

[ILB]

He said he didn't like to think about it.

Forums are for scenarios with a fully fit bare footed Nevill. Or Sheila phoning 999 at 6.09am & saying nothing.

The defence at trial & the CCRC have to be realistic.

Nevill phoning Bamber before is realistic strictly speaking.

Nothing can prove it didnt happen.

[ILB]

He said he didn't like to think about it.

Forums are for scenarios with a fully fit bare footed Nevill. Or Sheila phoning 999 at 6.09am & saying nothing.

The defence at trial & the CCRC have to be realistic.

The trial was almost 40 years ago.

Little point in him going over " what ifs"

[Adam]

Honest answer I am not sure, I dont know the family dynamics.

I dont know what I would do in such a scenario. If Shelia is gulity, I dont know for certain how it played out. I can just create scenarios for forum fodder.

When did Bamber say that?

Although it was clear that Shelias problems were liked to be kept quiet and insular.

People interested in the case do know the family dynamics.

Bamber said on the night Sheila was a looney, nutter, do lally, should be locked up & didn't like him. He later said he did not understand her illness.

So would have been of no use in helping Nevill calm her down through talk. If he had turned up quickly. Which he didn't.

Although Nevill's call is saying physical intervention was now required. Which Nevill can do himself or use June.

[Adam]

Nevill phoning Bamber before is realistic strictly speaking.

Nothing can prove it didnt happen.

Nevill's words do support the defence scenario of him ringing Bamber after being shot 4 times.

Being shot 4 times does relate to 'gone crazy' and 'got the gun'.

These 4 shots & June's 5 shots were while they were in/by the bed.

It is then a question of whether people believe Nevill would start ringing Bamber's AM after his 4 shots & what Sheila was doing during this. 

[ILB]

People interested in the case do know the family dynamics.

Bamber said on the night Sheila was a looney, nutter, do lally, should be locked up & didn't like him. He later said he did not understand her illness.

So would have been of no use in helping Nevill calm her down through talk. If he had turned up quickly. Which he didn't.

Although Nevill's call is saying physical intervention was now required. Which Nevill can do himself or use June.

Bamber may not have expressed that sentiment about Shelia in front of Nevill.

[ILB]

People interested in the case do know the family dynamics.

We know what the relatives say, and a few people close to them but that doesnt always represent a true picture.

You say " simply take the rifle " That's fair enough that's your view.

The prosecutions view was Shelia couldnt overpower Nevill.

I must admit, the overkill on Nevill damages Bamber

[Adam]

Assume Bamber did support the defence scenario at trial.

It matches the bedroom crime scene, explains Nevill's close range face shots and him being found bare footed downstairs. It also matches what Nevill said on the phone.

The no blood on the phone and purposeful talk prosecution counter arguments are not conclusive.

For me the biggest problem with the defence scenario is that Nevill would not make the choice to start ringing Bamber after being shot 4 times. 

[ILB]

Assume Bamber did support the defence scenario at trial.

It matches the bedroom crime scene, explains Nevill's close range face shots and him being found bare footed downstairs. It also matches what Nevill said on the phone.

The no blood on the phone and purposeful talk prosecution counter arguments are not conclusive.

For me the biggest problem with the defence scenario is that Nevill would not make the choice to start ringing Bamber after being shot 4 times.

What is the defence scenario at trial?

Bamber says " I dont know what happened guv"

Cant see what Rivlin says anywhere in terms of SOC.

[ILB]

Appreciate you are on a goad but the defence scenario is Jeremy Bamber didnt committ five counts of murder.

[Adam]

What is the defence scenario at trial?

Bamber says " I dont know what happened guv"

Cant see what Rivlin says anywhere in terms of SOC.

The prosecution say there was no blood on the phone & Nevill was too injured to talk.

Both sides agreed Nevill and June were shot in /by there bed 9 times. As the evidence shows.

Nevill being downstairs, fully fit & bare footed, letting things escalate while everyone slept could not be submitted by the defence as it was too weak.

[Adam]

Another problem with the defence scenario is Sheila opened fire totally unprovoked. While everyone slept.

We just have Bamber's WS of a fostering conversation hours earlier.

Then again everyone sleeping gave Sheila the chance to collect the rifle.

[Adam]

I have said before a fully fit Nevill would instantly negate any aggressive moves by Sheila.

However even he couldn't stop Sheila collecting the rifle while he slept!

[ILB]

Must remember Adams advice.

If I am ever confronted by a knife welding group of teenagers, I will use my height and weight advantage to " just take the knife"

Leaving my children fatherless in the process.