Allegedly biased summing up by the judge

[Adam]

Bamber has been the first to admit he would have been of zero help in helping Nevill calm Sheila down by talking.

If Nevill and June couldn't, no one could.

Failing to attend WHF to help Nevill. Then calling her names & insinuating her to the police at WHF.  Later saying he did not understand her illness.

[Adam]

Nevill did not need either June or Bamber to physically restrain Sheila.

Bamber would have been of no use here either. The first thing he did after claiming to have received Nevill's call was ring Julie!

So no reason to call Bamber. Either to help calm Sheila down by talking or physically restrain her.

He was also 3 miles away at 3.00am & had an AM.

[Steve_uk]

Bamber has been the first to admit he would have been of zero help in helping Nevill calm Sheila down by talking.

If Nevill and June couldn't, no one could.

Failing to attend WHF to help Nevill. Then calling her names & insinuating her to the police at WHF.  Later saying he did not understand her illness.

That's true, so what is the argument the Bamberettes advance for Nevill to call his son?

[Adam]

That's true, so what is the argument the Bamberettes advance for Nevill to call his son?

It is usually that is what Bamber said happened.

Although he was not needed to help Nevill physically restrain Sheila 

Nevill could ask June for help in calming Sheila down by talk. Bamber would be of zero use.

[Adam]

If Nevill by himself could not calm Sheila down by talk, he may have quickly used his huge physical advantages to restrain her. Rather than ask June to also talk to her.

Bamber would be of no use in negating Sheila either by force or talk. He didn't arrive at WHF until 40 minutes later!

[snow66!]

That's true, so what is the argument the Bamberettes advance for Nevill to call his son?

Sheila had bashed Nevill over the head and left him lying against the Aga, Steve.
When Nevill came to, he realized that he was badly injured and would need help from JB to deal with Sheila,
The time for talking was past!

[snow66!]

It is usually that is what Bamber said happened.

Although he was not needed to help Nevill physically restrain Sheila 

Nevill could ask June for help in calming Sheila down by talk. Bamber would be of zero use.

June was dead by the time Nevill regained conciousness beside the Aga, Adam, she couldn't talk to anyone!

[Steve_uk]

Sheila had bashed Nevill over the head and left him lying against the Aga, Steve.
When Nevill came to, he realized that he was badly injured and would need help from JB to deal with Sheila,
The time for talking was past!

That's a good effort Snow66! but there's no blood on the telephone. It's also strange that if one advances the argument that Nevill wanted to keep the whole incident in-house, as Jeremy told police upon arrival, then why did Jeremy telephone police at all?

[Steve_uk]

June was dead by the time Nevill regained conciousness beside the Aga, Adam, she couldn't talk to anyone!

Do you think Nevill managed to conceal his wristwatch under the carpet as a signal to law enforcement that intruders had broken into the farm? I always wondered whether it got there by accident or design.

[snow66!]

That's a good effort Snow66! but there's no blood on the telephone. It's also strange that if one advances the argument that Nevill wanted to keep the whole incident in-house, as Jeremy told police upon arrival, then why did Jeremy telephone police at all?

There doesn't necessarily need to be blood if someone is bashed about the head and face, Steve.
I dont know why JB didn't drive to the farm after Nevill phoned, I think I would have done.

[snow66!]

Do you think Nevill managed to conceal his wristwatch under the carpet as a signal to law enforcement that intruders had broken into the farm? I always wondered whether it got there by accident or design.

I think Nevills watch was hooked off his wrist by the sights of the rifle, Steve, at the same time that the palm of his hand was slashed.

[Steve_uk]

I think Nevills watch was hooked off his wrist by the sights of the rifle, Steve, at the same time that the palm of his hand was slashed.

I think the sights had been removed, probably by Jeremy the previous evening as he primed the .22 Anschütz rifle for murder.

[snow66!]

I think the sights had been removed, probably by Jeremy the previous evening as he primed the .22 Anschütz rifle for murder.

The front sights attached to the end of the barrel, Steve!
I believe they hooked the watch off when Sheila was prodding at his arm,  and whacking Nevill on the head and shoulders.

[ILB]

Colin Caffell made that mistake, and what a fruitless endeavour it was.

I thought it was Jeremy who iniated contact.

[Adam]

I can see why the defence scenario was Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM after he had been shot 4 times in/by his bed.

It matches the bedroom bullet cartridge crime scene and explains how Sheila managed 2 face shots at Nevill from inches away.

It also explains why Nevill was found downstairs bare footed in his sleeping attire.

It is then simply a question of whether you believe Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM atfter receiving his 4 shots & was able to say his 11 words before the kitchen attack.