Fight between Sheila and June

[ILB]

Maybe they should have held the trial outside of Essex.

[ILB]

Read his cross again a few week ago, he didnt take a battering. He actually was composed and answered quite well.

It seemed pretty benign for a cross in all honesty.

[ngb1066]

Maybe they should have held the trial outside of Essex.

It was originally committed to the OLd Bailey if I recall correctly.  It was then administratively transferred to Essex.

[David1819]

Read his cross again a few week ago, he didnt take a battering. He actually was composed and answered quite well.

It seemed pretty benign for a cross in all honesty.

I got that impression also. It made me wonder if Arlidge QC thought he wasn't guilty.

[Adam]

The judge kept asking Bamber to speak up at trial. He was not confident in his answers.

He went into 'police interview' mode. Just giving one word answers.

Regarding the rifle he said 'I didn't know what was going to happen, did I. As well as saying 'that is what you have to establish'.

[ILB]

The judge kept asking Bamber to speak up at trial. He was not confident in his answers.

He went into 'police interview' mode. Just giving one word answers.

No he didnt go into one word answers at all. I have read the transcript on countless occassions as im sure others have.

Its not unusual for a judge to ask a witness to speak up.

[ILB]

I got that impression also. It made me wonder if Arlidge QC thought he wasn't guilty.

He did mention on the theroux documentary that he believed the judges summing up was " very much geared toward a conviction" and he did say he found Bamber " intelligent"

He may have well have done, he may have not done. He was just doing his job I suppose.

Believe JB did write to him post conviction.

[Hardy Boy]

He did mention on the theroux documentary that he believed the judges summing up was " very much geared toward a conviction" and he did say he found Bamber " intelligent"

He may have well have done, he may have not done. He was just doing his job I suppose.

Believe JB did write to him post conviction.

I think Aldridge knew he got his man once Jeremy said, “ that is what you have got to try and establish” having said to him earlier “ you’re not telling the truth about it are you”.  Mike Ainsley said he would never forget that moment, he said he had just convicted himself as a low murmur went around the Court room?

[Hardy Boy]

He did mention on the theroux documentary that he believed the judges summing up was " very much geared toward a conviction" and he did say he found Bamber " intelligent"

He may have well have done, he may have not done. He was just doing his job I suppose.

Believe JB did write to him post conviction.

Anthony Arlidge KC did not believe in the concept of evil until he met Jeremy Bamber. Arlidge was prosecuting in the infamous trial in which Bamber was accused of murdering his parents at their home, White House Farm in Essex, along with his sister and her twin six-year-old boys. Arlidge’s son John recalls: ‘My father thought Bamber was the embodiment of evil, which is quite something when you think of all the defendants he had met in his career.’


Arlidge secured Bamber’s conviction in what was a tricky case in which the killer had sought to frame his dead sister. ‘Before I was instructed,’ he later recounted, ‘I watched him at the funeral of his parents on TV and I thought he was faking his grief


https://middletemplar.org.uk/master-anthony-arlidge-1937-2023/

[Adam]

No he didnt go into one word answers at all. I have read the transcript on countless occassions as im sure others have.

Its not unusual for a judge to ask a witness to speak up.

Going by Wilkes book he went into one word denial answers :- 'no'.

[Adam]

Going by his testimony we did learn -

He phoned Julie to 'hear a friendly voice'.

June's bike was stolen so Julie could cycle to a gym.

He said there was 'a lack of understanding between him & June'.

He robbed the caravan site to show security was poor. But admitted he should not have spent the money.

He had seen the wills & knew it tied him to the farm to inherit.

He liked the finer things in life.

He believed other people have testified against him because of what they saw in the media.

He did not say he did not know The Sea Wall route to/from WHF.

[David1819]

Going by Wilkes book he went into one word denial answers :- 'no'.

So if the actual transcripts states ABC while Wilkes book states XYZ. What are you going to go by?

[ILB]

Going by Wilkes book he went into one word denial answers :- 'no'.

Sometime short clipped answers are all that is required depending on the questioning.

There is little point him babbling on or going off tangent to a direct question put to him.

[BarefootDanC]

There is no way that the sentence I have highlighted could ever have been part of a draft prepared by or even considered by the defence.  I have no idea where this comes from - I can only imagine it might be part of the prosection counsel's opening statement to the jury.

Rivlin never expressed a personal opinion on the case.  Obviously since counsel are human they do form views but the mindset of a barrister in approaching a case is simply to look at the evidence and explore lines of cross examination that cast doubt on the prosecution case and support the defence case.  Essentially, defence counsel assumes for the purposes of the case that the defendant is telling the truth.

I believe Rivlin believed that he had a good chance of securing an acquittal because the evidence was largely circumstantial and there were considerable weaknesses in it.  He was also quite helpful to Jeremy Bamber following the conviction when approached by the defence requesting information.

Am I right in thinking Rivlin believed that Bamber was innocent or might have been, his interpretation of the silencer evidence being that it was on the gun and the blood inside was a mixture of Nevill's and June's - the expert witness allowing this as a possibility albeit a "remote" one.

[Adam]

The blood maybe being a mixture of June & Nevill's does him no favours.

There would need to be an explanation on why Sheila put the silencer on and then put it away.