Bulletpath article.

[snow66!]

I have heard of beach & house BBQ's. At 3.00pm in the afternoon.

A 2.00am - 3.00am BBQ on a Tuesday somewhere as remote as that section of The Sea Wall is the strangest thing I have ever heard of. Espescially as there was no artificial light.

What would happen if they ran out of burgers?

Ever seen Jaws, Adam?

[Rob_]

Steve, A is WHF and B is Head street, for some reason after point 1 it doesn’t let me join the sea wall, it diverts me across the field first.

Point A to 1 is pages lane

Where did you get this route from HB?

From point 5 I would have thought Bamber would have dropped down onto the sea wall?

Also from point 2 to Pages Lane is all of this possible on a bike looks rough track/edges of fields to me ? 

[Hardy Boy]

Where did you get this route from HB?

From point 5 I would have thought Bamber would have dropped down onto the sea wall?

Also from point 2 to Pages Lane is all of this possible on a bike looks rough track/edges of fields to me ?

Sorry Rob, I’ve only just seen your Post, I didn’t put it up for it being solely the one Bamber may have took, it was just to illustrate to Steve the actual area?

I take all my cycling maps from Komoot, it gets the most updated mapping for cyclists, from Open street maps and over 11 million community members, so Members who do the rides update the routes.  It may not always be the quickest like google, but it’s cyclist driven.

Your right what your saying, it doesn’t let me drop from Pages lane straight into the sea wall, there seems to be a gap anyway?  I think a better option is to miss pages lane out?

[Adam]

Don't think the weather or brightness was an issue to Bamber.

He worked outside in all weather in daylight or darkness.

The main thing for him was that he knew the way, it was cycle friendly, not too far & passed no properties. 

He had to go anyway as Sheila was going back to London soon. He had no control over the weather on the night.

[Adam]

He was lucky it was summer when night time vision is better.

However just as likely he would have felt it was 'now or never' if Sheila & the twins had visited 3 months later. Being a bit darker outside would not stop him.

[Steve_uk]

He was lucky it was summer when night time vision is better.

However just as likely he would have felt it was 'now or never' if Sheila & the twins had visited 3 months later. Being a bit darker outside would not stop him.

"Don't blame yourself..I would have gone ahead with it anyway."

[Rob_]

He was lucky it was summer when night time vision is better.

However just as likely he would have felt it was 'now or never' if Sheila & the twins had visited 3 months later. Being a bit darker outside would not stop him.

It would not have been any darker 3 months later assuming the Moon was at the same phase and elevation.

For imaging you could have started around 11pm and finish approx 3am so it would have been fully dark during the expected time JB would have been cycling.

If we go back a month to July 7th for example there is no true astro darkness. 

[Adam]

AI:

During the summer months, much of the UK does not experience "true night" (total darkness), remaining instead in various stages of twilight.

[Adam]

Believe Bamber was pretty fit in 1985.

Working on a farm for long hours will make him fit. Was 24 & slim.  The injuries to Nevill show he was strong.

The cycle ride would not be difficult for him. 

[handymanz]

AI:

During the summer months, much of the UK does not experience "true night" (total darkness), remaining instead in various stages of twilight.

True but August 8th is 7 weeks on from the June summer solstice.

[Hardy Boy]

AI:

During the summer months, much of the UK does not experience "true night" (total darkness), remaining instead in various stages of twilight.

I think the wording Much of the Uk, applies  to more North than South around August 7th.  I think further South you would start to see periods of total Darkness?

[Adam]

There has been a lot of false claims about The Sea Wall route by ILB & Rob -

3am BBQ's.

Steep inclines.

Too dangerous 

Doesn't adjoin Pages Lane.

Not accessible by bike.

People cannot go into there back gardens at night as too dark.

Gunfire Graffiti wore night vision goggles.

Jeremy would not know the way.

Jeremy could not get access to the field adjoining his back garden.

Dogs in gardens would bark & wake up residents in the field adjoining his back garden.

Jeremy could not lift the bike over the 2 styles.

The Sea Wall was different in 1985.

Jeremy would get a sore bottom (Snow).

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Think people get carried away.

The defence stance was it was possible but it doesn't mean he did.

The CT say Wilkinson was not the same size as Jeremy and cycled it during the day.

[Jonathan]

has anyone ever come forward to say they were at a BBQ that night on the sea wall?

[Adam]

has anyone ever come forward to say they were at a BBQ that night on the sea wall?

Not yet.

Not sure why anyone would have a BBQ at 3.00am on a Tuesday. Everyone is usually sleeping.

[Steve_uk]

Not yet.

Not sure why anyone would have a BBQ at 3.00am on a Tuesday. Everyone is usually sleeping.

It would be Wednesday by then. Weren't the barbecues part of the Osea Road social activities anyway, which was a fair way distant.