DocMaker article on Milbank

[snow66!]

But it was all sown up, Steve. On that first morning it was murder/suicide. Why would they be looking for anything/anyone else?

Who made the police aware of the fact that a silencer existed for the murder weapon, Jane?
The sights too for that matter?

[ILB]

Sadly for him, the relatives went on a search.

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[snow66!]

Yes, I just checked in Chapter 27 of CAL. What confused me was the silencer was standing upright, but it was in the box. In Chapter 6 of Claire Powell it says the box was wedged beneath one of the shelves, so maybe Bamber thought nobody would notice it there.

Yes, it just seems a bit odd hiding the silencer in the gun cupboard only to tell the police a few hours later about its existence, Steve!
Can you explain this?

[Hardy Boy]

Who made the police aware of the fact that a silencer existed for the murder weapon, Jane?
The sights too for that matter?

It was first brought up while he was being questioned by the Police, when Bamber was telling them about him loading the rifle and going to shoot the rabbits, the silencer and sights were brought up at this point, that was probably after 12 noon on the day of the murders, it was just brought up in the conversation.  Stan would have been in on the questioning he’d probably seen the rifle on top of Sheila.  I think as the story goes, Anne went home later that evening and told Pargeter who made the statement that he’d seen them on the rifle the week before?   This is without checking in detail, but it was just routine questioning about his movements and how he left the rifle?

[Hardy Boy]

Yes, it just seems a bit odd hiding the silencer in the gun cupboard only to tell the police a few hours later about its existence, Steve!
Can you explain this?

I think he had to, questions were raised about it by the Police, what did you want him to say there wasn’t one?

[Steve_uk]

But it was all sown up, Steve. On that first morning it was murder/suicide. Why would they be looking for anything/anyone else?

They wouldn't, but if it happened to be in plain view and bloodied it would surely attract attention.

[Steve_uk]

Why was he trying to hide it, Steve?

He thought the relatives might have remarked on its absence.

[Steve_uk]

The two things that have always blared out to me in the case.

The police's failure even to discover the silencer in a cursory search. On the morning of 7.8.85.

And Jeremy Bamber alleging police foul play prior to any arrest. Ref the Gerard Wiggins WS.

The latter was probably just bravado. And what a way to deflect attention from himself. The first point is more problematical: did I read somewhere that the cupboard was looked into by three different police officers, or am I mistaken on that also?

[Steve_uk]

Yes, it just seems a bit odd hiding the silencer in the gun cupboard only to tell the police a few hours later about its existence, Steve!
Can you explain this?

I don't recall Bamber mentioning it to police. Was it in his first statement?

[BarefootDanC]

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... and why would it have been Jeremy?

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[Hardy Boy]

I don't recall Bamber mentioning it to police. Was it in his first statement?

Anne says it was brought up by the Police during questioning about his recollection of the events the night before Steve.

[snow66!]

It was first brought up while he was being questioned by the Police, when Bamber was telling them about him loading the rifle and going to shoot the rabbits, the silencer and sights were brought up at this point, that was probably after 12 noon on the day of the murders, it was just brought up in the conversation.  Stan would have been in on the questioning he’d probably seen the rifle on top of Sheila.  I think as the story goes, Anne went home later that evening and told Pargeter who made the statement that he’d seen them on the rifle the week before?   This is without checking in detail, but it was just routine questioning about his movements and how he left the rifle?

But it seems to say in the books that JB volunteered the info about the sights and silencer, HB.
It says his story never changed, that he went outside to shoot rabbits with the rifle 'minus sights and silencer'
Therefore, JB himself told the police about the existence of the silencer just hours after the murder without being prompted to do so. Why would he do this if he had hidden the silencer in the hope of it being missed by the police?
You see, the police are blamed for not finding the silencer in the days after the murder, yet they certainly knew it existed, didn't they? Does this mean they simply had no interest in taking it as a crime scene exhibit? Must do surely, after all, Taff returned the following day to question JB further about the silencer, no doubt prompted by AP and the relatives, yet Taff didn't even try to accertain where the silencer was!
This whole situation involving the silencer at that time just seems odd, doesn't it?
Anyway, the fact is, why did JB hide the silencer and tell the police of its existence a few hours later?
Makes no sense!

[Jane]

But it seems to say in the books that JB volunteered the info about the sights and silencer, HB.
It says his story never changed, that he went outside to shoot rabbits with the rifle 'minus sights and silencer'
Therefore, JB himself told the police about the existence of the silencer just hours after the murder without being prompted to do so. Why would he do this if he had hidden the silencer in the hope of it being missed by the police?
You see, the police are blamed for not finding the silencer in the days after the murder, yet they certainly knew it existed, didn't they? Does this mean they simply had no interest in taking it as a crime scene exhibit? Must do surely, after all, Taff returned the following day to question JB further about the silencer, no doubt prompted by AP and the relatives, yet Taff didn't even try to accertain where the silencer was!
This whole situation involving the silencer at that time just seems odd, doesn't it?
Anyway, the fact is, why did JB hide the silencer and tell the police of its existence a few hours later?



Makes no sense!

JB is said to. have claimed it important to tell as much of the truth as possible..

[Hardy Boy]

But it seems to say in the books that JB volunteered the info about the sights and silencer, HB.
It says his story never changed, that he went outside to shoot rabbits with the rifle 'minus sights and silencer'
Therefore, JB himself told the police about the existence of the silencer just hours after the murder without being prompted to do so. Why would he do this if he had hidden the silencer in the hope of it being missed by the police?
You see, the police are blamed for not finding the silencer in the days after the murder, yet they certainly knew it existed, didn't they? Does this mean they simply had no interest in taking it as a crime scene exhibit? Must do surely, after all, Taff returned the following day to question JB further about the silencer, no doubt prompted by AP and the relatives, yet Taff didn't even try to accertain where the silencer was!
This whole situation involving the silencer at that time just seems odd, doesn't it?
Anyway, the fact is, why did JB hide the silencer and tell the police of its existence a few hours later?
Makes no sense!

Im just going by Anne’s statement snow who was there listening and taking notes, she clearly says questions were raised about the silencer and sights to the gun, to which Bamber replied (this meaning a question has been put to him) that the silencer and sights  had to be removed to fit in the gun cupboard.  So to me it looks like a question has been put to him?  It was next day on 5he 8th of August when Pargater arrived and wanted to know off Anne about the state of the rifle.

Without checking, I think when he’s arrested he’s very vague about the silencer, not knowing where it was kept. 

Another point I will make, I’ve chatted with a gun enthusiast and he assures me that the rifle with the silencer fitted wouldn’t make any difference with noise even in the house even if it was fitted, another thing that shocked me, how tiny the actual bullet is in size once it’s fired and it leaves the shell.

[Hardy Boy]

But it seems to say in the books that JB volunteered the info about the sights and silencer, HB.
It says his story never changed, that he went outside to shoot rabbits with the rifle 'minus sights and silencer'
Therefore, JB himself told the police about the existence of the silencer just hours after the murder without being prompted to do so. Why would he do this if he had hidden the silencer in the hope of it being missed by the police?
You see, the police are blamed for not finding the silencer in the days after the murder, yet they certainly knew it existed, didn't they? Does this mean they simply had no interest in taking it as a crime scene exhibit? Must do surely, after all, Taff returned the following day to question JB further about the silencer, no doubt prompted by AP and the relatives, yet Taff didn't even try to accertain where the silencer was!
This whole situation involving the silencer at that time just seems odd, doesn't it?
Anyway, the fact is, why did JB hide the silencer and tell the police of its existence a few hours later?
Makes no sense!

Well it seems to say to me  in Anne’s statement ( although she is a little contradictory) that the Police put the question to him, by saying Jeremy replies with, so once he’s asked about the Silencer, he’s got to address why it wasn’t on the rifle along with the sights while he went out to shoot rabbits.