DocMaker article on Milbank

[Steve_uk]

If Shelia was indeed completely out of it as Adam suggests, it all points to a snap decision been made that Tuesday afternoon possibly after an argument. And done out of hot blooded anger.

I seriously doubt if he was being methodical and calculating he would have done it if he knew and he knew other people knew the condition shelia was in.

The overkill of a six 4 foot 16 stone farmer  and a woman who couldnt get " off a sofa"  as an alternative suspect isnt a perfect crime.

But what could the relatives do faced with a fait accompli? It was touch and go whether anyone from law enforcement would believe them.

[ILB]

But what could the relatives do faced with a fait accompli? It was touch and go whether anyone from law enforcement would believe them.

Not just the relatives to be honest.

CC, the law, anybody.

In the 1980s mental health was heavily stigmatised. Thats what may have got Jeremy his extra two months of freedom. If the crime happened in 2025 maybe not so.

[ILB]

If you find yourself in an armed robbery " just take the rifle " simple 

Creating a Jeremy Bamber scenario is relatively easily.

A shelia scenario, you have to include a build up.

All forum fodder of course.

[Steve_uk]

Not just the relatives to be honest.

CC, the law, anybody.

In the 1980s mental health was heavily stigmatised. Thats what may have got Jeremy his extra two months of freedom. If the crime happened in 2025 maybe not so.

The Eatons will have at least CCTV installed at White House Farm and possibly a panic button wired to a private security company.

[Adam]

Shelia was taller than June.

June would have taken the rifle off Sheila. As she did with the phone a few hours earlier.

[Adam]

.22s have been used in warfare.

In this instance it claimed five lifes.

18 of the shots were close range head or neck shots.

These and the other shots did kill two 6 year old boys an elderly and a very weak woman.

Nevill needed 8 shots and 40+ other injuries.

[ILB]

Nevill needed 8 shots and 40+ other injuries.

Did he?

Jeremy didnt have a scratch on him.

Perhaps I looked into it wrong and it wasnt a fight to the death but revenge and adrenalin gone overboard against a dad he hated.

[snow66!]

18 of the shots were close range head or neck shots.

These and the other shots did kill two 6 year old boys an elderly and a very weak woman.

Nevill needed 8 shots and 40+ other injuries.

Going by Vanezis evidence there was a fair chance that Nevill was already dead by the time he received the final four head shots, Adam!

[ILB]

The Eatons will have at least CCTV installed at White House Farm and possibly a panic button wired to a private security company.

What for?

The guy is in prison and has been for 40 years come next month.

[ILB]

18 of the shots were close range head or neck shots.

These and the other shots did kill two 6 year old boys an elderly and a very weak woman.

Nevill needed 8 shots and 40+ other injuries.

All the victims ( despite shelias mental health problems) were in good physical normal stature as the autopsy suggests.

You accept the.22 is used in warfare and can kill humans.

[ILB]

Shelia was 5 foot 7,that's above average height for a female.

Would say Bamber is 5 11 tops, I towered him thirty odd years back.

[Adam]

Going by Vanezis evidence there was a fair chance that Nevill was already dead by the time he received the final four head shots, Adam!

Agree with that.

Bamber's kitchen attack left Nevill with 40+ horrific head, face & torso injuries.

[Adam]

All the victims ( despite shelias mental health problems) were in good physical normal stature as the autopsy suggests.

You accept the.22 is used in warfare and can kill humans.

I have already posted AI quote regarding war fare.

It can't be used on foxes as won't kill them outright. So someone unfunctional holding it won't intimidate a 15 stone man or 10 stone woman.

[Adam]

Did he?

Jeremy didnt have a scratch on him.

Perhaps I looked into it wrong and it wasnt a fight to the death but revenge and adrenalin gone overboard against a dad he hated.

Do you believe the pathologist report is wrong?

[ILB]

Do you believe the pathologist report is wrong?

I believe Nevill Bamber suffered horrific injuries.

But its seems more of an attack than a fight. Jeremy Bamber didnt have a scratch upon him. I used to think and was shocked to be honest as to why Nevill didnt mark his face.