DocMaker article on Milbank

[snow66!]

If the CCRC were satisfied the aga caused the burns, then that would mean a 40 year cover up by the raid team/EP. Saying Nevill was found in the coal scuttle.

NGB can confirm if that would have been sufficient to refer & whether the aga burn ground has been dismissed

If the Aga burned Nevill earlier on that night before he ended up dead on the scuttle, then there was no cover up, Adam!
The CT claim that the police moved Nevill is unnecessary and highly damaging in my opinion!
In one of the early Aga podcasts, Yvonne tried to explain why they thought Nevill had been moved, but her reasons decended into a ramble about phone calls and such which baffled me and didn't seem to prove anything. Recently the claim has been that the chairs are joined together in a balancing act proped up by the dishwasher or whatever it is behind the kitchen door, but would the police really go to all that bother just to balance Nevill on the side of a chair? And for what reason, gallows humour? Well, the CT and the likes of the Doc maker think this quite possible, but is there any real proof it happened?
Besides, Vanezis was happy that Nevill was shot and killed while slumped over the scuttle and the blood stains support this too. And its worth mentioning again that Nevill is in the perfect position to receive the final four head shots.
So no, I think we have to conclude that if the Aga burned Nevills back then it had to have happened earlier that night when Nevill was still alive.
Hence, all the CT had to do was prove that the Aga caused the burns and forget about the police moving Nevill, and Bobs your uncle! Referal time!!!
Are you listening, Yvonne? What about you Phil? Anyway, tell JB to release that dismissal report, or we cant comment any further!

[Bubo bubo]

If the Aga burned Nevill earlier on that night before he ended up dead on the scuttle, then there was no cover up, Adam!
The CT claim that the police moved Nevill is unnecessary and highly damaging in my opinion!
In one of the early Aga podcasts, Yvonne tried to explain why they thought Nevill had been moved, but her reasons decended into a ramble about phone calls and such which baffled me and didn't seem to prove anything. Recently the claim has been that the chairs are joined together in a balancing act proped up by the dishwasher or whatever it is behind the kitchen door, but would the police really go to all that bother just to balance Nevill on the side of a chair? And for what reason, gallows humour? Well, the CT and the likes of the Doc maker think this quite possible, but is there any real proof it happened?
Besides, Vanezis was happy that Nevill was shot and killed while slumped over the scuttle and the blood stains support this too. And its worth mentioning again that Nevill is in the perfect position to receive the final four head shots.
So no, I think we have to conclude that if the Aga burned Nevills back then it had to have happened earlier that night when Nevill was still alive.
Hence, all the CT had to do was prove that the Aga caused the burns and forget about the police moving Nevill, and Bobs your uncle! Referal time!!!
Are you listening, Yvonne? What about you Phil? Anyway, tell JB to release that dismissal report, or we cant comment any further!

There is no information as to the precise nature of the four issues which were rejected by the CCRC. We only have broad outlines of the original eight. However, 2 more were added.

"Jeremy Bamber’s latest submission to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) included a substantial dossier containing eight grounds for appeal, each comprising multiple issues. This was lodged on 10 March 2021, and two additional submissions were made later that year based on newly discovered evidence"

JB is now claiming that EP shot SC with one more shot after she was dead. I have made a case for the circumstances that led to this. IF THIS IS TRUE then it is also possible that additional shots were made to other victims including NB. I give reasons for the extra shot to SC.

IF they moved NB it could be argued (though no doubt ridiculed by the guilt fraternity) That the shots to NB were made in order to deceive others like Snow to conclude that he had not been moved but by some weird set of circumstances ended up with his head in the scuttle. From a SOC perspective if bodies were moved it would enhance the reality of the new SOC to add shots to he victims, in their new positions.

We do not know enough about the PSOR or whether the AGA burns issue was one that was added later.

[ILB]

If the CCRC were satisfied the aga caused the burns, then that would mean a 40 year cover up by the raid team/EP. Saying Nevill was found in the coal scuttle.

NGB can confirm if that would have been sufficient to refer & whether the aga burn ground has been dismissed

There is no evidence the burns happened on the night concretely.

Doubt it would be a cover up, the mantra was murder suicide for almost two months after.

[snow66!]

There is no information as to the precise nature of the four issues which were rejected by the CCRC. We only have broad outlines of the original eight. However, 2 more were added.

"Jeremy Bamber’s latest submission to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) included a substantial dossier containing eight grounds for appeal, each comprising multiple issues. This was lodged on 10 March 2021, and two additional submissions were made later that year based on newly discovered evidence"

JB is now claiming that EP shot SC with one more shot after she was dead. I have made a case for the circumstances that led to this. IF THIS IS TRUE then it is also possible that additional shots were made to other victims including NB. I give reasons for the extra shot to SC.

IF they moved NB it could be argued (though no doubt ridiculed by the guilt fraternity) That the shots to NB were made in order to deceive others like Snow to conclude that he had not been moved but by some weird set of circumstances ended up with his head in the scuttle. From a SOC perspective if bodies were moved it would enhance the reality of the new SOC to add shots to he victims, in their new positions.

We do not know enough about the PSOR or whether the AGA burns issue was one that was added later.

Well some are claiming that the Aga evidence was included in issue 3, Bubo, and must therefore have been dismissed! But I agree, we definately need to see the dismissal document!
Else what is the point of supporters outside the main circle at all?

[ILB]

Was a unusual place Nevill was found granted.

Don't see why Bamber would lift him on a upturned chain with his head in a coal scuttle.

If anything I would have expected Nevill to be laid out on the kitchen floor.

[Steve_uk]

There is no information as to the precise nature of the four issues which were rejected by the CCRC. We only have broad outlines of the original eight. However, 2 more were added.

"Jeremy Bamber’s latest submission to the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) included a substantial dossier containing eight grounds for appeal, each comprising multiple issues. This was lodged on 10 March 2021, and two additional submissions were made later that year based on newly discovered evidence"

JB is now claiming that EP shot SC with one more shot after she was dead. I have made a case for the circumstances that led to this. IF THIS IS TRUE then it is also possible that additional shots were made to other victims including NB. I give reasons for the extra shot to SC.

IF they moved NB it could be argued (though no doubt ridiculed by the guilt fraternity) That the shots to NB were made in order to deceive others like Snow to conclude that he had not been moved but by some weird set of circumstances ended up with his head in the scuttle. From a SOC perspective if bodies were moved it would enhance the reality of the new SOC to add shots to he victims, in their new positions.

We do not know enough about the PSOR or whether the AGA burns issue was one that was added later.

Police shot Sheila, police shot Nevill.

[Curiosity]

Police shot Sheila, police shot Nevill.

And they shot June and the twins too for a full house!

[Steve_uk]

And they shot June and the twins too for a full house!

I don't think I need to comment further.

[snow66!]

Was a unusual place Nevill was found granted.

Don't see why Bamber would lift him on a upturned chain with his head in a coal scuttle.

If anything I would have expected Nevill to be laid out on the kitchen floor.

By the Aga, ILB?

[Adam]

Was a unusual place Nevill was found granted.

Don't see why Bamber would lift him on a upturned chain with his head in a coal scuttle.

If anything I would have expected Nevill to be laid out on the kitchen floor.

The two reasons would be to get good access to his head and back.

For the shots and burns.

[Adam]

Well some are claiming that the Aga evidence was included in issue 3, Bubo, and must therefore have been dismissed! But I agree, we definately need to see the dismissal document!
Else what is the point of supporters outside the main circle at all?

You can ask NGB. Whether he tells you or not is amother matter.

[ILB]

The two reasons would be to get good access to his head and back.

For the shots and burns.

I considered for the shots but you would have to remember by that point nevill would be seriously weakened. He had been shot four times and battered. I dont think it would have been difficult for Bamber to give four head shots in those circumstances.

But who knows.

[ILB]

By the Aga, ILB?

Anywhere in the kitchen I suppose.

However not like this

[ILB]

Why were his pyjamas trousers pulled down?

Humiliation?

[Adam]

Why were his pyjamas trousers pulled down?

Humiliation?

They may have fell down during the attack or while he was being lifted onto the chair/coal scuttle.

Bamber is not going to bother pulling them up.