CAL's visit to WHF.

[ILB]

CC was there.

Agree.

Although he is making an itv drama with hindsight of the event and believes Jeremy Bamber murdered his little boys.

[ILB]

Agree CC ended up believing Bamber was gulity.

Must be loaded with vengeance and I would be the same.

Socialising going on meals in the immediate aftermath with a ex brother in law who you later felt murdered your children. But at the time you were offering support and fully felt he was a bereaved man.

Can only make the mind boggle.

[David1819]

Agree CC ended up believing Bamber was gulity.

Must be loaded with vengeance and I would be the same.

Socialising going on meals in the immediate aftermath with a ex brother in law who you later felt murdered your children. But at the time you were offering support and fully felt he was a bereaved man.

Can only make the mind boggle.

Colin was fleeced also.

As the assumed murderer I think Sheila would have not inherited anything ...

A strong principle in UK law is that no person can benefit in any way from a crime they commit ...

So it would be assumed that as the youngest the twins died last and Colin would have inherited a big slice ...

This principle also explains why it was so important for Robert to see Jeremy convicted of the murders ...

Jeremy's conviction stopped him from inheriting in line with this legal principle ...

So to Robert (a known will fraudster) it was important that Jeremy was convicted and that there was some evidence (Julie's "remembered" statement) that the twins died first ...

It makes no sense (other than to a deranged Sheila perhaps) for anyone to shoot the twins before Nevill ...

Julie did not "remember" Jeremy telling her the twins died first during 4 days with Police ...

Julie was telling lies that Robert Boutflour asked her to tell ...

The truth is easy to see when looking at these details ...

Robert was a known liar (he lied in court about the money and lied to grandma Speakman about Jeremy having died)

Robert was a known will fraudster (his lies to grandma Speakman about Jeremy dying)

Robert was behind the planting of the silencer ...

Robert was behind Julie's lies to the Police ...

His motive was very simple - money ....

[Curiosity]

More utter shite from sherlock.

[ILB]

CC himself referenced that his initial thought was Shelia had done it.

An itv drama he contributed to some thirty odd years later now convinced of the guilt of JB is tainted by the wisdom of the event.

Interesting dynamic between CC and JB. I have no idea what privately CC thinks of JB but publicly he hasnt shown the degree of malice I thought he would do in the interviews he has done.

It must have been a traumatic time for CC as he and Jeremy spent time in each other's company post massacre.

[ILB]

Im still of the opinion that the quietness of Shelia at Colins party was because she still harboured feelings for him and was banking on some sort of reconciliation.

It would have been awkward as Colin was there with Heather Amos.

[ILB]

Jeremy prior the massacre to all extent and purposes had a reasonably amicable relationship with CC.

Perhaps even the " millstone round the neck comment " he made was done because Jeremy thought in some way ( al beit perverse and bizarre he would be doing CC a favour

[David1819]

CC himself referenced that his initial thought was Shelia had done it.

An itv drama he contributed to some thirty odd years later now convinced of the guilt of JB is tainted by the wisdom of the event.

Interesting dynamic between CC and JB. I have no idea what privately CC thinks of JB but publicly he hasnt shown the degree of malice I thought he would do in the interviews he has done.

It must have been a traumatic time for CC as he and Jeremy spent time in each other's company post massacre.

There are two letters from JB to Colin on this forum. Written in the early 90s late 80s

[Jane]

Jeremy prior the massacre to all extent and purposes had a reasonably amicable relationship with CC.

Perhaps even the " millstone round the neck comment " he made was done because Jeremy thought in some way ( al beit perverse and bizarre he would be doing CC a favour

Yes! He could quite see the "millstone" so why wouldn't Colin?

[Steve_uk]

None of us were there.

His first words on hearing the death of his ex wife, children and former parents in law was " she's finally done it then " he later rallied around Bamber and comforted him.

Not quite accurate. His initial thought under the pressure of the moment was that she had proceeded to commit suicide. However, upon subsequently being told of the death of Nicholas and Daniel "something didn't quite make sense".

How anybody gets over such a bereavement beats me. Of course, he has a new wife and family now, an attempt to put the past behind him and move on. But I wonder if anyone really can.

[Steve_uk]

CC himself referenced that his initial thought was Shelia had done it.

An itv drama he contributed to some thirty odd years later now convinced of the guilt of JB is tainted by the wisdom of the event.

Interesting dynamic between CC and JB. I have no idea what privately CC thinks of JB but publicly he hasnt shown the degree of malice I thought he would do in the interviews he has done.

It must have been a traumatic time for CC as he and Jeremy spent time in each other's company post massacre.

He's not that kind of person. He internalizes emotion. He's an artist. He creates, not destroys.

[Steve_uk]

Yes, as ILB says, your literary skills are no doubt unmatched on the forum here, Steve, but are you sure that you didn't just describe a Sheila who had finally reached rock bottom and had nowhere left to go or indeed turn to bar the gun cupboard?

It's the defence's strongest card, Snow, and I don't blame them for playing it. I recall Mike's conversation with Jeremy at Full Sutton, namely that he, Jeremy, was Sheila's accomplice, to which he replied: "You clever bastard."

I think that's as near the truth as we'll ever get in this case. Sheila had expressed a wish that "all people are bad and should be killed", but didn't have the robustness to fulfil her wish. Jeremy obliged, though distorted the meaning to a select few, leaving him alone to inherit the estate.

[Steve_uk]

That's their opinion.

Shelia felt she could certainly function.

She was certainly showing manual dexterity when wrapping cannabis joints when coming out with bizarre things to 14 year old Helen Grimster in June July of 85.

That's not a bad point and there's no doubt Sheila was a mess, though there is a difference between rolling cigarettes and reloading a rifle . It raises the issue of how far one indulges someone with mental illness. https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,155.msg332.html#msg332

[Hardy Boy]

It's the defence's strongest card, Snow, and I don't blame them for playing it. I recall Mike's conversation with Jeremy at Full Sutton, namely that he, Jeremy, was Sheila's accomplice, to which he replied: "You clever bastard."

I think that's as near the truth as we'll ever get in this case. Sheila had expressed a wish that "all people are bad and should be killed", but didn't have the robustness to fulfil her wish. Jeremy obliged, though distorted the meaning to a select few, leaving him alone to inherit the estate.

This is my opinion as well Steve, the chat when Bamber was on the Tractor and Sheila came to see him in the Field was the final chapter,  that’s why it was said “Tonight’s the night”.

[Adam]

Sheila would have preferred a holiday in France rather than WHF with the twins. Who wouldn't?

But it was a certain 'no' from Nevill, June & CC.

Sheila couldn't manage her food shopping, let alone 2 hyperactive children in a foreign country.