CAL's visit to WHF.

[Adam]

You are entitled to keep positing bollocks. And I am entitled to post what ever I want to little man.

Shelia could function. Primarily the only thing what counts in all contexts.

Not dismissing her difficulties but not taking them to the extreme like you are so you can goad.

Sheila couldn't function.

Why else did CC have custody of the children?

You are entitled to support Bamber because you think he looked passionate about his 'Campaign for a Technicality'. But saying Sheila could function is abosolute bollocks.

[Adam]

She couldn't hold down a job. There were no planned holidays. CC drove her to WHF where June & Nevill could monitor her. There were no social events except a party where she said nothing.

June was driving an 80 mile round trip to do her food shopping.

You are entitled to support Bamber because he seemed passionate about his appeal. But saying Sheila could function is going too far.

Correction to this.

It is a round trip of 120 - 140 miles from TD to Mayfair. Depending on the route.

June travelling this to do Sheila's food shopping.

And ILB says she could function.

[Adam]

None of us are truly going to have an insightful picture into HowShelia was functioning. We rely on second hand accounts. Had we known her in 1985 we would have had the benefit of leaping to our own judgements.

What we can draw though is in fairness the simple analogy that she had good days and bad days. But I refuse to believe she wasnt functional like Adam makes out.

We rely on sources from people who knew her.

She couldn't engage with her children & spent 3 minutes just giving 1 word answers on the phone a few hours before her death.

Of course she couldn't function.

[Adam]

My championing of Shelia being " functional " isn't sticking up for Bamber.

It's simply just making sure bollocks isn't been posted.

Their is a wealth of evidence that despite her hospital stays Shelis for all extent and purposes lived a normal social life with friends, had the initiative and strength to look and undertake paid work ( being successful is another issue) and lead somewhat of a normal life despite her hospital stays for her treatment.

Shelia also asked for her dosage to be reduced because it made her drowsy. Showing that she didnt actually like the effects it was having on her.

Adams logic is June helping her daughter out by cooking food for her means she was a vegetable. Don't know what type of family background Adam comes from but many help each other out in these ways.

Also June may have imposed herself on shelia for her own reasons as it gives June something to do and be close to her daughter while Nevill is out working. June probably got a benefit out of doing it herself.

Adam just says ( or tries to imply)  " shelia was a vegetable "

I asked you for evidence Sheila 'lived a normal life'. You just posted a fake planned holiday & party she was driven to & then said nothing.

Sheila had no hand to eye co ordination and sufferred from involutary movements & Tardrive Dyskenisia.

You are entitled to support Bamber because he looked passionate about his 'Campaign for a Technicality'. But claiming Sheila could function is taking your support too far.

[David1819]

It seems that one minute the occupants at WHF are one minute too traumatised to discuss anything (despite living at the scene of the crime) but at other time are open to talk about it depending on who it is.


“I’m not going to speak to you, I’m just going to give you this,” she said. It was a typed statement. “Jeremy Bamber has caused so much grief and pain to this family that we find it almost impossible to deal with and rarely speak about it,” it said. “ - New Yorker

The article the OP has posted is behind a paywall. Was there anything interesting discussed?

[ILB]

I asked you for evidence Sheila 'lived a normal life'. You just posted a fake planned holiday & party she was driven to & then said nothing.

Sheila had no hand to eye co ordination and sufferred from involutary movements & Tardrive Dyskenisia.

You are entitled to support Bamber because he looked passionate about his 'Campaign for a Technicality'. But claiming Sheila could function is taking your support too far.

Can only go by on sources close to shelia such as close friends who saw her and planned holidays with her and the men she dated and her employers.

Why shouldn't CC have custody of the twins? they were his children. He was their father. Shelia was having mental health problems. It stands to reason......

You have no tangible evidence whatsoever.

[ILB]

CCs custody doesnt suggest Shelia was a bad mother. She was simply having problems. And CCs custody was a good solution.

" father takes custody of children " shock horror Adam.

[Adam]

Can only go by on sources close to shelia such as close friends who saw her and planned holidays with her and the men she dated and her employers.

Why shouldn't CC have custody of the twins? they were his children. He was their father. Shelia was having mental health problems. It stands to reason......

You have no tangible evidence whatsoever.

Planned holidays? Was never going to France. Her friend and parents were not going to be looking after her 24/7. June, Nevill & CC did that in August 1985.

Agree she had mental problems.

[Adam]

CCs custody doesnt suggest Shelia was a bad mother. She was simply having problems. And CCs custody was a good solution.

" father takes custody of children " shock horror Adam.

Agree she could not look after the children. When not an in patient.

Haldoperiodal is an extremely powerful anti psychotic drug with dozens of side effects. Tradgically Sheila's long term use saw these becone more profound. Long term Haldoperiodal use did her no favours.

[Adam]

AI -

'Some people taking haloperidol for a long time get a movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia, which causes rhythmic movements of your tongue, face, mouth or jaw'.

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One of the relatives said Sheila had Tardrive Dyskinesia. This could be a reason why she was not talking to people.

[Jane]

AI -

'Some people taking haloperidol for a long time get a movement disorder called tardive dyskinesia, which causes rhythmic movements of your tongue, face, mouth or jaw'.

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One of the relatives said Sheila had Tardrive Dyskinesia. This could be a reason why she was not talking to people.

"one of the relatives said"?  I wonder how one of the relatives came by such knowledge when they didn't even appear to be aware of her having been an inpatient in a psych unit, let alone what sort of meds she was on! However, her GP knew, and this may have been one of the reasons they reduced her meds, apart from her own request? Plus, she'd only been receiving the injections for around 6 months. Perhaps not long enough for TD to kick in? She certainly hadn't been receiving it for enough time for it to be referred to as "long term". Whether or not it would have done her any favours, or not, will never be known.

[Roch]

To make it look like Sheila did it, silly! Trouble was he couldn't hide his expertise!

Jane, if you think about it, this is contradictory.

[Steve_uk]

"one of the relatives said"?  I wonder how one of the relatives came by such knowledge when they didn't even appear to be aware of her having been an inpatient in a psych unit, let alone what sort of meds she was on! However, her GP knew, and this may have been one of the reasons they reduced her meds, apart from her own request? Plus, she'd only been receiving the injections for around 6 months. Perhaps not long enough for TD to kick in? She certainly hadn't been receiving it for enough time for it to be referred to as "long term". Whether or not it would have done her any favours, or not, will never be known.

Maybe not the relatives, but I think house painter Michael Horsnell would have recognized the symptoms, if not the diagnosis: she walked very rigidly, and the only part of her that moved was from the knees down". Farm secretary Barbara Wilson also noted Sheila walking through a gaggle of geese "as if they weren't there". Both references from the CAL book.

[ILB]

Planned holidays? Was never going to France. Her friend and parents were not going to be looking after her 24/7. June, Nevill & CC did that in August 1985.

Agree she had mental problems.

Are you calling Tomkinson a liar? They were planning a holiday.

Shelia was having dates with men and temporarily holding down jobs, it requires a degree of dexterity. Her competence in not being able to do her tasks does not releate to her not being able to function. She just didn't impress her employers and she either quit or they let her go. In this day and age " able bodied " persons as you yourself would term often fail a probation period.

Agree she had difficulties, disagree she was a vegetable.

To reiterate, not trying to benefit Jeremy Bamber, just providing an accurate picture.

[ILB]

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One of the relatives said Sheila had Tardrive Dyskinesia. This could be a reason why she was not talking to people.

So no confirmed GP/healthcare professional medical diagnosis. Just an opinion of " Dr Boutflour " after the event of Shelia, Daniel, Nicholas, June and Nevill been found dead.