Article about recent decision

[Jane]

No, to be quite honest, I dont believe that at all, Jane!
I am sure they are quite sincere, if not they must be bampots with nothing better to do!

So do you also believe that every defending Council thinks all their clients are innocent?

[ngb1066]

So do you also believe that every defending Council thinks all their clients are innocent?

Defence counsel certainly do not think all their clients are innocent.  Most are guilty.  However the key point is that defence counsel do not choose their clients, whereas CT members are all volunteers and only do what they do because they believe JB to be innocent.  Some supporters have changed their minds over the years as you know, but all current CT members believe in innocence.

 

[Jane]

Defence counsel certainly do not think all their clients are innocent.  Most are guilty.  However the key point is that defence counsel do not choose their clients, whereas CT members are all volunteers and only do what they do because they believe JB to be innocent.  Some supporters have changed their minds over the years as you know, but all current CT members believe in innocence.

Thanks Neil. You say most are guilty? So even with the current line up, nothing is set in stone.

[BarefootDanC]

That list looks subjective. Baird has pointed out an unwillingness for the CCRC to challenge the COA.

How can "the CCRC challenge the CoA" ??

The CCRC refers cases to the Court of Appeal which is a court of law, a very senior one.

[Roch]

How can "the CCRC challenge the CoA" ??

The CCRC refers cases to the Court of Appeal which is a court of law, a very senior one.

I suspect she means regarding what could overturn a conviction.

[BarefootDanC]

Defence counsel certainly do not think all their clients are innocent.  Most are guilty.  However the key point is that defence counsel do not choose their clients, whereas CT members are all volunteers and only do what they do because they believe JB to be innocent.  Some supporters have changed their minds over the years as you know, but all current CT members believe in innocence.

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

[ILB]

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

He got a lot of hassle in long lartin, wasn't particularly well liked general consensus was most thought him gulity. Bare in mind we're going back 30 odd years.

[ILB]

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

His CT comes across as cultist, though I do believe such members as Yvvone and Philip do mean well.

Some of the supporters though are crackers.Chris Roberts for example is a nasty piece of work and to put it bluntly mental. Although I am unsure if he personally involved with the CT

[ILB]

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

I have watched many of the tik toks. Which I am led to believe Emma Morris is in charge of.

They give an attitude of being juvenile and sometimes sneering just my two cents.

[Hardy Boy]

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

Ive always said that some Posters do more harm than good,  I first followed this forum when Mike set it up in Dec 2010, I followed every word he said.  There was no other poster posting with him at the time, I’d just finished my time down Colchester and started to research the Bamber case.  Without checking, I think Newbury was the first poster to post.

So I went along with Mike, thinking that what he was saying was the truth, later on when the likes of Hartley, Bob and Vidic joined, they started questioning what Mike was posting, and it was clear that there was holes in what Mike was posting,  but the sad part was, Mike became even worse with what he was posting, and it was a shame because he put so much into it.   Quite a few changed stance after that.

[Jane]

Some have told me that they changed their minds to guilty part because they feel that the CT have lied to them. Certainly several articles and TikToks are either misleading or selective in the evidence which they show.

Thank-you for that. I feel my skepticism has been vindicated. The late Mike Tesko -he was quite a character, albeit a not always truthful one!- was prepared to say/do anything to get JB released. I very much doubt him to be alone in this. It seems to me that the CT maybe more concerned with finding something -anything!- which could render the conviction unsafe, than looking for something which proves his innocence. If we accept that the former might not be impossible for them, is it unreasonable to think they have very little faith in the latter?

[snow66!]

Funnily enough, I was just watching 'The Wheeltappers and Shunters club' and suddenly realized that Roger Whittaker looks very much like Jack Hargreaves from 'Out of Town'!

[Roch]

Funnily enough, I was just watching 'The Wheeltappers and Shunters club' and suddenly realized that Roger Whittaker looks very much like Jack Hargreaves from 'Out of Town'!

Childhood memories for both. My mam had an RW album and JH was strangely immersive viewing.

[BarefootDanC]

His CT comes across as cultist, though I do believe such members as Yvvone and Philip do mean well.

Some of the supporters though are crackers.Chris Roberts for example is a nasty piece of work and to put it bluntly mental. Although I am unsure if he personally involved with the CT

Have you ever dialogued with Chris Roberts?

[snow66!]

Childhood memories for both. My mam had an RW album and JH was strangely immersive viewing.

Yes, Jack Hargreaves was a 'one of a kind' Roch! very interesting fellow, no doubt you will also remember him from 'How' as well.
Sadly,the wheeltappers has not stood the test of time though! Roger whittaker was fine, but one act had a guy firing darts at a board using his mouth, so bad that it was good as they say! Like many of the acts, very dated and of its time, sadly.