Did Jeremy have a reason to put the silencer back into the gun cupboard?

[snow66!]

How would you expect someone not used to loading Bullets in a magazine, to load them?  APs wife found them slippery while trying to load them, and  at trial it was stated that the bullets left a VISIBLE residue on the hands while loading the bullets from the lubricant on the Bullet .  Cutie can argue all she wants, it doesn’t alter the fact that the bullets had a lubricant transferable substance to the hand.   If it leaves a residue I would expect this residue to be transferred to the murder weapon?

All I meant was, the only way to load bullets into a magazine is by using the thumb and finger tips of one hand!

[Hardy Boy]

All I meant was, the only way to load bullets into a magazine is by using the thumb and finger tips of one hand!

I agree, all the more reason to suspect transfer of lubricant to the fingers, she could even grasp them in the hand after lifting, she might have had quite a few in her hands at the same time, she would find them hard to load and slippery  like APs wife did, meaning taking her time to load the Magazine?

[Hardy Boy]

The manufacturing technical data states "firm hydrocarbon lubricant to reduce residues".  The idea the cartridges are slathered in lubricant to the extent the user would transfer residues to the firearm and/or his/her person is wrong.  NGB has never suggested otherwise. 

At trial MF told the court "you get a black discolouration".  Absolute BS.  So we know for sure we have at least one forensic scientist who is either incompetent, corrupt or both.

You never heard of Black Bees wax?

[Curiosity]

All I meant was, the only way to load bullets into a magazine is by using the thumb and finger tips of one hand!

Doesn't matter if you're right-handed or even left-handed, but if you're cack-handed like Sheila was there is NO-WAY she would waste time and effort trying to load at least 15 more bullets (assuming it already contained 10) into a tiny .22 magazine.  All this in the midst of a psychotic breakdown too! Far more realistic for her to grab hold of a sharp, pointed cook's knife from the kitchen drawer with which to stab her family to death.

[Curiosity]

Eley are known or have been known to use both beeswax and paraffin wax for coating their many different rounds, so although Subsonics aren't mentioned here, in 1984 and before they might have used beeswax on them rather than paraffin wax, despite what Cambridge was told when she wrote to them -

https://eley.co.uk/waxing-lyrical-about-22lr-lubricants-beeswax-or-paraffin-wax/

[Adam]

Eley are known or have been known to use both beeswax and paraffin wax for coating their many different rounds, so although Subsonics aren't mentioned here, in 1984 and before they might have used beeswax on them rather than paraffin wax, despite what Cambridge was told when she wrote to them -

https://eley.co.uk/waxing-lyrical-about-22lr-lubricants-beeswax-or-paraffin-wax/

Do you think Jeremy from WHF -

Rang his AM.

Answered his own call when arriving back at GH.

Made no call from WHF.

[Hardy Boy]

Eley are known or have been known to use both beeswax and paraffin wax for coating their many different rounds, so although Subsonics aren't mentioned here, in 1984 and before they might have used beeswax on them rather than paraffin wax, despite what Cambridge was told when she wrote to them -

https://eley.co.uk/waxing-lyrical-about-22lr-lubricants-beeswax-or-paraffin-wax/

Everything MF said at trial is there to be challenged by the defence, he says you get visible residue on your hands from the loading procedure, they have lubricant on them and he even passed one to Drake to feel. All I’m saying, in my mind the shooter must have been wearing gloves?   Drake even suggests that MFs hands were sticky from handling the bullets the day before, he says as seen,  if one’s hands were sticky what we saw yesterday when Mr Fletcher was in the witness box. 

[ngb1066]

Your arguments and accusations may wash on others Cutie, but may I add,  even if I was a neutral I would take you on on your lies. I don’t believe in making things up for the sake of it!

It’s obvious it’s a recent rifle/scope/silencer, it’s obvious from gun experts, NGB and a guy who is in his 80s and been shooting all his life, It’s obvious when it’s said in Court that the bullets were greasy, yet you want to argue they wasn’t.  All I want to know is why Sheila didn’t transfer this grease/lubricant onto the rifle, that’s all.  My suggestion the shooter must have been wearing gloves?

In my view it would be very difficult to reload the magazine wearing gloves.  The rounds are very small and have to be inserted individually in the magazine.

[Hardy Boy]

In my view it would be very difficult to reload the magazine wearing gloves.  The rounds are very small and have to be inserted individually in the magazine.

I mean in the actual handling of the rifle NGB?  Could he/she load the bullets by hand and then put gloves on to fire the shots leaving no residue on the rifle?   It’s the only explanation I can think of?  That means someone deliberately trying to hide their prints?

[snow66!]

I agree, all the more reason to suspect transfer of lubricant to the fingers, she could even grasp them in the hand after lifting, she might have had quite a few in her hands at the same time, she would find them hard to load and slippery  like APs wife did, meaning taking her time to load the Magazine?

Well, Sheila had all the time in the world to re-load after she had shot June,  Nevill was lying against the Aga at this time,and the boys were still sleeping!

[snow66!]

Doesn't matter if you're right-handed or even left-handed, but if you're cack-handed like Sheila was there is NO-WAY she would waste time and effort trying to load at least 15 more bullets (assuming it already contained 10) into a tiny .22 magazine.  All this in the midst of a psychotic breakdown too! Far more realistic for her to grab hold of a sharp, pointed cook's knife from the kitchen drawer with which to stab her family to death.

You think Sheila would have opted for a knife to kill her family, Curiosity!
Thats a new suggestion!

[Hardy Boy]

Well, Sheila had all the time in the world to re-load after she had shot June,  Nevill was lying against the Aga at this time,and the boys were still sleeping!

😂😂. Yes I forgot about Neville being unconscious for three hours.  Doesn’t alter the fact she would have had sticky lubricant on her hands though Snow, unless she was wearing gloves.

[snow66!]

😂😂. Yes I forgot about Neville being unconscious for three hours.  Doesn’t alter the fact she would have had sticky lubricant on her hands though Snow, unless she was wearing gloves.

Again, she had plenty of time to wash them after the final re-load, HB!
Sheila couldn't very well write farewell letters with grease on her fingers!

[Cambridgecutie]

How would you expect someone not used to loading Bullets in a magazine, to load them?  APs wife found them slippery while trying to load them, and  at trial it was stated that the bullets left a VISIBLE residue on the hands while loading the bullets from the lubricant on the Bullet .  Cutie can argue all she wants, it doesn’t alter the fact that the bullets had a lubricant transferable substance to the hand.   If it leaves a residue I would expect this residue to be transferred to the murder weapon?

What difference would it make whether someone was experienced in handling the cartridges or a novice?  The cartridges are coated in a firm hydrocarbon to reduce residues.  The hydrocabon is not only firm but clear unlike MF's trial testimony.

[Cambridgecutie]

You never heard of Black Bees wax?

The cartridges were not coated in black bees wax as per the manufactureres technical data.