Did Jeremy have a reason to put the silencer back into the gun cupboard?

[Jane]

I would not waste your breath Snow! If guilty no way would Bamber have let anyone else have access to the house, he simply had to keep the keys and he was home and dry.

There was always the possibility of someone finding something that would give him away.

Bamber would have expected the police to seize all the guns, ammo silencers etc. so at the very least would have given the silencer a dam good clean. It had three different exhibit numbers at one stage or another, no wonder there was two examined!

I wonder what makes you think that? Surely a strategically placed gun on the body of the murderer/suicide victim would have eliminated the need for an immediate search for other weapons?

It also occurs to me that anything which arose which could have incriminated him, he'd have kept very quiet about. After all, why could he have given an opinion on anything which happened when he claimed not to have been there? Regarding any fingerprints found to be his? He'd been there. He'd handled the murder weapon.

[Adam]

Bamber committed the massacre minus sights and with silencer.

He took the silencer off & put it back in it's box. Next to the sights he had taken off pre massacre. 

Suspicious relatives found the silencer and handed it to the police.

The test results at Huntingdon confirmed Sheila had been murdered. Her receiving 2 shots didn't help either.

[Hardy Boy]

I wonder what makes you think that? Surely a strategically placed gun on the body of the murderer/suicide victim would have eliminated the need for an immediate search for other weapons?

It also occurs to me that anything which arose which could have incriminated him, he'd have kept very quiet about. After all, why could he have given an opinion on anything which happened when he claimed not to have been there? Regarding any fingerprints found to be his? He'd been there. He'd handled the murder weapon.

They said they were never looking for a silencer and if they had searched the gun cupboard and found one,  they doubt  they would have realised the significance Jane.

[snow66!]

Why not waste your breath, snow has raised some good points, it’s not just about me and snow, others like to read the posts.  I don’t agree with Snow about waiting for Taff to die and Julie to come forward before the police the top brass and the relies could fiddle things and frame Bamber.

I suppose because you back Snow and you haven’t challenged and agree with him on this, he’s not wasting his breath on you then?

Rob never said that he agrees with all my theories, HB, only that JB would have cleaned the silencer before putting it in the gun cupboard!

[Rob_]

Rob never said that he agrees with all my theories, HB, only that JB would have cleaned the silencer before putting it in the gun cupboard!

Well I would have thought his first choice would be to simple leave it beside Sheila Snow, he would have been well aware the use of a silencer might be detectable.

But if for some bizarre reason he decides to put it in the gun cupboard I am sure he would give it a dam good clean, after all according to some he spent ages messing around burning Nevil's back. Surely he had a few extra minutes to clean the silencer?

[snow66!]

Bamber committed the massacre minus sights and with silencer.

He took the silencer off & put it back in it's box. Next to the sights he had taken off pre massacre. 

Suspicious relatives found the silencer and handed it to the police.

The test results at Huntingdon confirmed Sheila had been murdered. Her receiving 2 shots didn't help either.

Well thats another slightly peculiar aspect of the silencer evidence, Adam, the fact that the blood inside it wasn't an exact match for Sheila! So where did it come from if JB was framed?
I mean, if the blood was planted, why didn't the 'planter' as it were make sure there was enough of Sheila's blood to get an exact match?
What does this tell us?
Was the planter scarce of blood, or 'decent' blood, like Daves theory? Could this be why no exact match was found?
Surely the police would have a sufficient amount of Sheila's blood to get a perfect match if they were the culprits? Here's me contradicting my own theories now!
What if the blood was genuine backspatter? Why wasn't there enough to get an exact match?
Mmmm! More questions than answers!
Anyone any more ideas why the blood wasn't an exact match for Sheila?

[Hardy Boy]

Rob never said that he agrees with all my theories, HB, only that JB would have cleaned the silencer before putting it in the gun cupboard!

The fact he never challenged you and told you to stop wasting your breath with me for challenging you suggests he does.

[Hardy Boy]

Rob never said that he agrees with all my theories, HB, only that JB would have cleaned the silencer before putting it in the gun cupboard!

If you don’t want posters to challenge what you say, don’t post.

[Rob_]

They said they were never looking for a silencer and if they had searched the gun cupboard and found one,  they doubt  they would have realised the significance Jane.

That is not what Cook says HB? He says:

"I never saw the silencer in that cupboard, if I had, as I have already stated, I would have taken it."

[Bubo bubo]

Well thats another slightly peculiar aspect of the silencer evidence, Adam, the fact that the blood inside it wasn't an exact match for Sheila! So where did it come from if JB was framed?
I mean, if the blood was planted, why didn't the 'planter' as it were make sure there was enough of Sheila's blood to get an exact match?
What does this tell us?
Was the planter scarce of blood, or 'decent' blood, like Daves theory? Could this be why no exact match was found?
Surely the police would have a sufficient amount of Sheila's blood to get a perfect match if they were the culprits? Here's me contradicting my own theories now!
What if the blood was genuine backspatter? Why wasn't there enough to get an exact match?
Mmmm! More questions than answers!
Anyone any more ideas why the blood wasn't an exact match for Sheila?

Part of my narrative is the MF could have created the flake using blood that was sent to him from Taylor with the bullet PV20 ( see my posts ) It maybe that its quality was impaired by the fact that it was not refrigerated.

[snow66!]

Part of my narrative is the MF could have created the flake using blood that was sent to him from Taylor with the bullet PV20 ( see my posts ) It maybe that its quality was impaired by the fact that it was not refrigerated.

Thanks Bubo, that may explain it!
When did that take place?

[Adam]

That is not what Cook says HB? He says:

"I never saw the silencer in that cupboard, if I had, as I have already stated, I would have taken it."

It must have been well hiden. Plus they were not looking for one.

[Adam]

The prosecution will always say he took the sights off and inserted the silencer pre massacre.

Supporters will always say EP, the relatives and Huntingdon worked together to fabricate it. Not sure why they would when there was so much other evidence.

[Hardy Boy]

That is not what Cook says HB? He says:

"I never saw the silencer in that cupboard, if I had, as I have already stated, I would have taken it."

But,  I’m relaying what Stone, Dickinson, Cartledge and Taplin said when questioned by the Press immediately after the trial.

Cook probably would have taken it, but not put any significance to it.  I think personally Cook tries to cover his own back for his failings, he never searched the gun cupboard or removed the remaining guns and ammunition from the Gun cupboard.  He went to the Autopsy with the bodies at 1.50pm on the day of the murders, he was all day on the 8th at the Autopsy,  and on the 9th the Keys to WHF were handed back.

[Hardy Boy]

It must have been well hiden. Plus they were not looking for one.

The silencer was at the back of the Gun cupboard in a box with the sights, the cupboard was 3 feet at the door entrance sloping down to 8 inches high at the back wall.   

The rifle was seen the week before the murders, with the silencer and sights attached by AP, he couldn’t remember if the Magazine was attached, he also saw two boxes of 50 rounds of ammunition on the desk in the den, he thought the ammunition was German make?

The rifle on a farm is to control vermin, used more effectively with a silencer and sights attached, the silencer is more effective when taking out larger numbers of vermin.

Bamber used to like target shooting, i would think with the sights attached, the murder scene showed that there was a rifle on top of Sheila minus sights and silencer,  so, without question,  someone must have taken the sights and silencer off the rifle during the week before the murders, it’s been suggested Neville took them off for cleaning, but why place them out of sight right at the back of the gun cupboard?

AP said the rifle scope and silencer looked new, would it need cleaning, do you have to remove the sights every time you clean the rifle or sights?