Did Jeremy have a reason to put the silencer back into the gun cupboard?

[snow66!]

Well did he?

[Adam]

He took it off after shooting Sheila.

Then put it back in it's box in the gun cupboard when he went downstairs.

It has been known for people to put things back in there usual places.

Although Bamber didn't with the rifle despite Nevill & June being in the kitchen.

[snow66!]

He took it off after shooting Sheila.

Then put it back in it's box in the gun cupboard when he went downstairs.

It has been known for people to put things back in there usual places.

Although Bamber didn't with the rifle despite Nevill & June being in the kitchen.

'it has been known for people to put things back in their usual places'
I was looking for a slightly more reasoned answer, Adam!

[Steve_uk]

Well did he?

Yes, because the Anschütz rifle would be too long for Sheila to shoot herself with silencer attached.

[snow66!]

And of course we have to ask the obvious question, if the silencer wasn't used on the night of the murders and the rellies or the police contaminated it in order to get the case to court, just how on earth did they think they could get away with this?
Well I suppose JB couldn't really comment about it without incriminating himself, if guilty he obviously couldn't just turn round and say, ' I know you contaminated the silencer because it wasn't on the rifle when I shot my family'! And even if JB had confessed to the shooting before trial in the hope of a reduced sentence no one would believe him if he said the police contaminated the silencer, nor would anyone care anyway!
So thinking things through, the police/rellies had nothing to lose really contaminating the silencer, did they?
Not if they were convinced of his guilt of course.
This is why I think it is a possibility that the silencer was contaminated once Julie came forward.
Ask yourself this, would the relatives or Stan really put their liberty on the line trying to frame Bamber within a week of the murders? What a risk! Money nor promotion was any good to the relatives nor Stan if they ended up in jail for perverting the course of justice!
On the other hand, after Julie came forward and the majority of the police thought JB guilty, that was the time for noble cause corruption to come into play surely?
All it meant was a back story claiming that the rellies found a silencer in the gun cupboard and various statements, notebook pages and exhibit numbers changed or introduced to suit!
I just cant see Stan or the rellies trying to frame JB within a week of the murders with no backing from the top brass! Just too risky at that stage and all allegedly taking place even before the inquest and funerals!
Oh well, thats about it!

[snow66!]

Yes, because the Anschütz rifle would be too long for Sheila to shoot herself with silencer attached.

Again, too brief Steve, too brief!

[Adam]

He had to take the silencer off.

He had to go downstairs.

The silencer was not too heavy to carry.

The silencer box was in the downstairs gun cupboard.

Inside the silencer box inside the gun cupboard was well away from the crime scene.

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All flows together.

Agree another person may act differently. There is not a one reaction fits all.

[ILB]

Will look at things differently. Was involved in crime since 1982

I used to burn stuff, this was low level.

[snow66!]

He had to take the silencer off.

He had to go downstairs.

The silencer was not too heavy to carry.

The silencer box was in the downstairs gun cupboard.

Inside the silencer box inside the gun cupboard was well away from the crime scene.

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All flows together.

Agree another person may act differently. There is not a one reaction fits all.

We're talking about the actions of an alleged killer, Adam! and 'why' he made them regarding the silencer.

[Hardy Boy]

We're talking about the actions of an alleged killer, Adam! and 'why' he made them regarding the silencer.

Ask yourself, where did the silencer belong?  Where do you think he should have put it, in the fridge?


He could have left it out at the side of Sheila, he didn’t.  Bamber would know, anything left out at the murder scene would be taken by the police straight away for testing or evidence.  We don’t know how much blood was on the silencer after the shootings, So anything he didn’t want linking to the crime, he had to either get rid of or distance. So he decided to distance the silencer by placing it at the very back of the gun Cupboard after what he thought was clean.  Clothing he could have got rid of, and any clothing missing wouldn’t be suspicious, the silencer he could have got rid of, this might have looked suspicious?



The idea that your putting forward,    everyone was involved in the silencer cover up, the Rellies (as you put it) the Police, the TOP brass……… Yet they all had to wait for Taff to die first and Julie to come forward to execute their plan and fiddle the books,  is utter nonsense!

I think you need to question whoever puts this  in your head first!

[ILB]

For me a cleaning or a disposal.

[snow66!]

Ask yourself, where did the silencer belong?  Where do you think he should have put it, in the fridge?


He could have left it out at the side of Sheila, he didn’t.  Bamber would know, anything left out at the murder scene would be taken by the police straight away for testing or evidence.  We don’t know how much blood was on the silencer after the shootings, So anything he didn’t want linking to the crime, he had to either get rid of or distance. So he decided to distance the silencer by placing it at the very back of the gun Cupboard after what he thought was clean.  Clothing he could have got rid of, and any clothing missing wouldn’t be suspicious, the silencer he could have got rid of, this might have looked suspicious?



The idea that your putting forward,    everyone was involved in the silencer cover up, the Rellies (as you put it) the Police, the TOP brass……… Yet they all had to wait for Taff to die first and Julie to come forward to execute their plan and fiddle the books,  is utter nonsense!

I think you need to question whoever puts this  in your head first!

There was no reason to hide the silencer unless JB thought that Sheilas blood had got inside it, HB!
The silencer being found beside Sheila with Nevill and the boys blood on it or inside it meant nothing, it would fit with Sheila shooting them and then taking the silencer off to shoot herself.
If JB is guilty, why didn't he just take the silencer off before shooting Sheila if he was afraid of her blood may get inside it?  After all, it wasn't needed at that stage was it?
The usual argument is that he didn't realize the gun was too long for Sheila to shoot herself, but he still had no reason to return the silencer to the gun cupboard unless he was afraid that Sheila's blood could have got inside it, else he would just leave it beside Sheila, surely?
Even supposing that only Nevill or the boys blood had got inside/outside the silencer it would still be suspicious putting it back in the cupboard! Far better for JB to leave the silencer lying about the house for the police to find.
No, if JB is guilty we have to conclude that he knew/suspected that Sheila's blood was inside the silencer and rather than attempt to clean it in any way risked putting it back/hiding it in the cupboard in the hope that the police simply wouldn't find it, in other words, if guilty, JB knew full well that an item was sitting in the gun cupboard that could prove his guilt if found!
But to cap it all, once the police had left the WHF JB didn't even bother to look in the gun cupboard to see if the silencer had been taken! Isn't that the first thing he would have done?
Just when did JB realize his contaminated silencer was missing?
Isn't it strange that JB showed no interest in the silencer at all, knowing it could be capable of sending him down for life?
Doesn't add up really, does it??

[Rob_]

I would not waste your breath Snow! If guilty no way would Bamber have let anyone else have access to the house, he simply had to keep the keys and he was home and dry.

There was always the possibility of someone finding something that would give him away.

Bamber would have expected the police to seize all the guns, ammo silencers etc. so at the very least would have given the silencer a dam good clean. It had three different exhibit numbers at one stage or another, no wonder there was two examined!

[Hardy Boy]

There was no reason to hide the silencer unless JB thought that Sheilas blood had got inside it, HB!
The silencer being found beside Sheila with Nevill and the boys blood on it or inside it meant nothing, it would fit with Sheila shooting them and then taking the silencer off to shoot herself.
If JB is guilty, why didn't he just take the silencer off before shooting Sheila if he was afraid of her blood may get inside it?  After all, it wasn't needed at that stage was it?
The usual argument is that he didn't realize the gun was too long for Sheila to shoot herself, but he still had no reason to return the silencer to the gun cupboard unless he was afraid that Sheila's blood could have got inside it, else he would just leave it beside Sheila, surely?
Even supposing that only Nevill or the boys blood had got inside/outside the silencer it would still be suspicious putting it back in the cupboard! Far better for JB to leave the silencer lying about the house for the police to find.
No, if JB is guilty we have to conclude that he knew/suspected that Sheila's blood was inside the silencer and rather than attempt to clean it in any way risked putting it back/hiding it in the cupboard in the hope that the police simply wouldn't find it, in other words, if guilty, JB knew full well that an item was sitting in the gun cupboard that could prove his guilt if found!
But to cap it all, once the police had left the WHF JB didn't even bother to look in the gun cupboard to see if the silencer had been taken! Isn't that the first thing he would have done?
Just when did JB realize his contaminated silencer was missing?
Isn't it strange that JB showed no interest in the silencer at all, knowing it could be capable of sending him down for life?
Doesn't add up really, does it??

How do you know taking the silencer off meant nothing?  Taking the silencer off after he killed Sheila was his decision, he had two choices, leave it beside Sheila, or hide it to make it looked like it wasn’t used.  He might have been frightened, he knew that it would be took with the rifle and sent for testing, he had no idea what the tests could produce, if he hides it, it distances it from the crime.  You have know idea what went through his head, the same as I don’t really.  He wouldn’t really know that the rifle was too long until he had shot Sheila after he placed the rifle on top of her?  It’s ok saying what anyone should or did do after the event, it’s what the killer decides in the moment,

Bamber never entered WHF until all the gun cupboard had been emptied,  he didn’t know the police had the silencer, as far as he was aware the relatives had got everything i think?  At one stage he said he didn’t want to go into WHF again, that’s why Ann was asked to be a key holder. Ann was told by Stan she would have to clean the house up, she said “no way” at first?

You say it doesn’t add up,  your theory about the Police the top brass and Relies waiting for Taff to die and for Julie to come forward before they could cook the books and fiddle the silencer does I suppose?

[Hardy Boy]

I would not waste your breath Snow! If guilty no way would Bamber have let anyone else have access to the house, he simply had to keep the keys and he was home and dry.

There was always the possibility of someone finding something that would give him away.

Bamber would have expected the police to seize all the guns, ammo silencers etc. so at the very least would have given the silencer a dam good clean. It had three different exhibit numbers at one stage or another, no wonder there was two examined!

Why not waste your breath, snow has raised some good points, it’s not just about me and snow, others like to read the posts.  I don’t agree with Snow about waiting for Taff to die and Julie to come forward before the police the top brass and the relies could fiddle things and frame Bamber.

I suppose because you back Snow and you haven’t challenged and agree with him on this, he’s not wasting his breath on you then?