Adam's Claims...

[ILB]

Can't see him just putting it back with cleaning it.

[ILB]

Bragging to JM " open shut case "

Scapegoats blood on a sound moderator in an accessible cupboard.

Coppers all over the farm.

Giving AE the keys.

It's all madness when you look at it together.

[ILB]

The authorisation on burning carpets and the cremations? The guilt view of this must be because he was potentially worried about what could be yielded.

If this is the case it shows some degree of forensic awareness.

Which in turns means it's unlikely he would have placed a silencer back in the cupboard without a thorough clean.

The only other guilt argument for the burning and cremations is spite. Which may be true but unlikely in my view.

[Adam]

Bamber was all over the place inside WHF -

Two shots to Sheila.

Pulling her legs.

Opening & closing a bible.

Multiple shots to everyone.

Failing to contain Nevill.

Giving Nevill 40+ horrific injuries.

Moving multiple fixed items.

No blood on the phone.

Burning Nevill's back.

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Putting the silencer back in it's box in the gun cupboard was actually quite good by his standards.

Pity he didn't clean it beforehand.

[Bubo bubo]

The authorisation on burning carpets and the cremations? The guilt view of this must be because he was potentially worried about what could be yielded.

If this is the case it shows some degree of forensic awareness.

Which in turns means it's unlikely he would have placed a silencer back in the cupboard without a thorough clean.

The only other guilt argument for the burning and cremations is spite. Which may be true but unlikely in my view.

Did you read this. guilt supporters always say he instigated the burning.

I was not implying you were. I understand your position. I have seen the authorisation document. I believe there was a discussion initiated by the police during the long day that followed during which he was giving his first statement. They suggested the burning but said he had to give authorisation for that and installing a security system. Wilkes may be wrong on this point in that his wording suggests JB was the driving force.
you could say that technically he ordered it by signing. He was now the head of the household so he was in charge

[ILB]

Did you read this. guilt supporters always say he instigated the burning.

Bubo, read what I said.

You must be able to get where I am coming from

[ILB]

Bamber was all over the place inside WHF -

Two shots to Sheila.

Pulling her legs.

Opening & closing a bible.

Multiple shots to everyone.

Failing to contain Nevill.

Giving Nevill 40+ horrific injuries.

Moving multiple fixed items.

No blood on the phone.

Burning Nevill's back.

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Putting the silencer back in it's box in the gun cupboard was actually quite good by his standards.

Pity he didn't clean it beforehand.

Thanks for that Adam.

Perhaps you will convince somebody of the guilt of Jeremy one day. It has been 12 years.

[Hardy Boy]

Did you read this. guilt supporters always say he instigated the burning.

I don’t know how true, but this was in Colin’s book I think?  Maybe Steve could clarify this?


According to Colin "As time went on, I began to feel that I was constantly being observed and copied by Jeremy, as if he wasn't aware himself of what was appropriate behaviour and needed to follow my lead. In retrospect, these often overstated displays came over as clumsy and grandiose but, above all, devoid of any proper feeling, like a ham actor spouting his lines"

"I want all of the bloodstained bed-linen and carpets taken out and burned" he said "and any bloodstained walls thoroughly washed down"

Colin had just described a 'psychopath' and it seems Jeremy DID ask for the carpets to be burned and the house cleaned. Jones agreed and said it would be done when they had finished the investigation and tests to which Jeremy replied "Tests?"

Colin said JEREMY ORDERED them to be burnt! The quote from his book.  Colin was in the room when Bamber asked for them to be burned

[ILB]

The insinuation is simple I am putting across.

Someone will get it.

[Adam]

Anyway the evidence is Bamber used the silencer. Then took it off and put it away after going downstairs.

The relatives or a rogue officer would not have the resources to get 40 pieces of information. Instantly.

EP working in unison would not involve the relatives. Taff was also supporting murder/suicide.

[ILB]

Anyway the evidence is Bamber used the silencer. Then took it off and put it away after going downstairs.

The relatives or a rogue officer would not have the resources to get 40 pieces of information. Instantly.

EP working in unison would not involve the relatives. Taff was also supporting murder/suicide.

Thanks Adam.

[Bubo bubo]

I don’t know how true, but this was in Colin’s book I think?  Maybe Steve could clarify this?


According to Colin "As time went on, I began to feel that I was constantly being observed and copied by Jeremy, as if he wasn't aware himself of what was appropriate behaviour and needed to follow my lead. In retrospect, these often overstated displays came over as clumsy and grandiose but, above all, devoid of any proper feeling, like a ham actor spouting his lines"

"I want all of the bloodstained bed-linen and carpets taken out and burned" he said "and any bloodstained walls thoroughly washed down"

Colin had just described a 'psychopath' and it seems Jeremy DID ask for the carpets to be burned and the house cleaned. Jones agreed and said it would be done when they had finished the investigation and tests to which Jeremy replied "Tests?"

Colin said JEREMY ORDERED them to be burnt! The quote from his book.  Colin was in the room when Bamber asked for them to be burned

Remember this?



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Re: Heather Amos WS
« Reply #202 on: August 15, 2023, 09:56:PM »
Quote from: Hardy Boy on August 15, 2023, 08:02:PM
Colin also made the point that Jeremy said to S Jones on the day, that he didn't want to see the bloodstains on the bedding, carpets and walls, he declioned to go in and identify anyone because he couldn't.  He also said if any iof the valubles had stains, they would have to be cleaned before he went in?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1560.0;attach=7397;image

That is very different from saying he wanted everything burnt/destroyed except the valuables as HA's statement claims and a reason for his not wanting to enter is given.

I see what your getting at but in the early days ( This was on the day of the incident and he was giving his statement which had many interruptions from family and friends including the local vicar). he does not say anything of the kind.  HA talks about issues in her statement including the burning of items. We do not know the context or whether she just heard bits and pieces. I have reservations about her statement made 110 days after the event. Years later he has spiced it up in his book.

Maybe he was embellishing what AE had said. It all came about by the police initiating a discussion about security. We do not know whether they asked him what else he wanted them to do for him to enter WHF.  He had reservations about entering the premises I have seen a document which authorises the police but for the life of me I cannot find it. Some other member may be able to help with this document.

The context of his statement and what was said to draw out the comments of the burning are crucial to knowing the truth. I say his responses were given to questions posed rather than him independently making the request, which started from a conversation on security issues initiated by EP.

[Hardy Boy]

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Re: Heather Amos WS
« Reply #202 on: August 15, 2023, 09:56:PM »
Quote from: Hardy Boy on August 15, 2023, 08:02:PM
Colin also made the point that Jeremy said to S Jones on the day, that he didn't want to see the bloodstains on the bedding, carpets and walls, he declioned to go in and identify anyone because he couldn't.  He also said if any iof the valubles had stains, they would have to be cleaned before he went in?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1560.0;attach=7397;image

That is very different from saying he wanted everything burnt/destroyed except the valuables as AH's statement claims and a reason for his not wanting to enter is given.

I see what your getting at but in the early days ( This was on the day of the incident and he was giving his statement which had many interruptions from family and friends including the local vicar). he does not say anything of the kind.  AH talks about issues in her statement including the burning of items. We do not know the context or whether she just heard bits and pieces. I have reservations about her statement made 110 days after the event. Years later he has spiced it up in his book.

Maybe he was embellishing what AE had said. It all came about by the police initiating a discussion about security. We do not know whether they asked him what else he wanted them to do for him to enter WHF.  He had reservations about entering the premises I have seen a document which authorises the police but for the life of me I cannot find it. Some other member may be able to help with this document.

The context of his statement and what was said to draw out the comments of the burning are crucial to knowing the truth. I say his responses were given to questions posed rather than him independently making the request, which started from a conversation on security issues initiated by EP.

Its not me saying it,  it’s Colin, I haven’t read Colin’s book before and I picked up this from it?  He was in the room when Bamber asked for  all of the bloodstained bed-linen and carpets taken out and burned"  "and any bloodstained walls thoroughly washed down"

He also remembers Jones reply……… Jones agreed and said it would be done when they had finished the investigation and tests to which Jeremy replied "Tests?"

AE was given the keys on the 9th to clean WHF for Jeremy and that’s when they decided to clear the Gun Cupboard of ammunition and Gun, they found a box of ammunition at the rear of the cupboard that contained the silencer and sights as well? 

[snow66!]

It is worth remembering that it was the police who decided to destroy any remaining blood exhibits in 1996.

[Adam]

Doubt that Bamber was desperate to get items destroyed.

The raid team & police had come & gone. The bodies removed. Photos taken. Murder/suicide announced to the media.

He was not even around shortly afterwards when AE was given the keys to WHF & said he did not want to go inside WHF.

However if asked if bed sheets & carpets could be destroyed he would say 'yes'.