Adam's Claims...

[ILB]

What was the relevant law with firearms back in 85?

Was it legal for JB to use the .22 seeing on the premises ( for example such as rabbit shooting, target shooting, etc as though he had no girearm certificate and the gun was owned and certificated to use for Nevill Bamber.

[ngb1066]

What was the relevant law with firearms back in 85?

Was it legal for JB to use the .22 seeing on the premises ( for example such as rabbit shooting, target shooting, etc as though he had no girearm certificate and the gun was owned and certificated to use for Nevill Bamber.

Yes it was legal for him to use it with the permission of Nevill on land owned by Nevill.

[ngb1066]

Then I would have thought that after procedure they would be essentially property of the next of kin. But JB was never a licensed firearms holder or had a certificate I believe?

What normally happens now in cases like this is that the next of kin applies for a temporary certificate to retain the weapons.  The certificate is normally granted as a formality.  In the 1980s things were much more lax.

[Hardy Boy]

What was the relevant law with firearms back in 85?

Was it legal for JB to use the .22 seeing on the premises ( for example such as rabbit shooting, target shooting, etc as though he had no girearm certificate and the gun was owned and certificated to use for Nevill Bamber.

I think NGB said he was on Neviles firearm certificate?  Could be wrong though.

Lot of Ifs ILB, I don’t ever think we will know the truth, the sights wasn’t needed for close contact killing, maybe the silencer was needed, it keeps him further from his victims after all it has the name silencer, he could have used it and realised it was too long when he placed it on Sheila?  So, like you said he could have got rid of it, or he could have wiped it clean (maybe there was more blood on it than we know of) and thinking it was clean put it in the box with the sights, it would look less suspicious than if it was on its own, if it was left out it would have been hard to say he went to shoot bunnies without it on?

Why go out after 12 hour shift to shoot a couple of bunnies at distance without a silencer on, if the silencer is useless why invent one in the first place? 

He had no idea how the investigation would develop and it’s easy for us to say he would have done this or he would have done that, killers don’t think everything through or they would never get caught, so he had a choice ditch something the relatives knows is in the house or wipe it clean and give his story he left it he rifle minus the silencer?   It nearly worked anyway, Taff and the investigation went for murder/suicide.

[Hardy Boy]

Yes it was legal for him to use it with the permission of Nevill on land owned by Nevill.

So because Neville was now dead NGB, Jeremy couldn’t touch them or take them to his house?  Was he on the licence to use just the .22 or could he use the shotguns as well?

[ngb1066]

So because Neville was now dead NGB, Jeremy couldn’t touch them or take them to his house?  Was he on the licence to use just the .22 or could he use the shotguns as well?

At that time in reality Jeremy could simply have taken the rifle and the shotguns and kept them.  In order to retain them legally longer term he would have to apply for a Firearm Certificate and a separate Shotgun Certificate, which would have been granted.

[Hardy Boy]

At that time in reality Jeremy could simply have taken the rifle and the shotguns and kept them.  In order to retain them legally longer term he would have to apply for a Firearm Certificate and a separate Shotgun Certificate, which would have been granted.

Ok thanks NGB

[Bubo bubo]

I think NGB said he was on Neviles firearm certificate?  Could be wrong though.

Lot of Ifs ILB, I don’t ever think we will know the truth, the sights wasn’t needed for close contact killing, maybe the silencer was needed, it keeps him further from his victims after all it has the name silencer, he could have used it and realised it was too long when he placed it on Sheila?  So, like you said he could have got rid of it, or he could have wiped it clean (maybe there was more blood on it than we know of) and thinking it was clean put it in the box with the sights, it would look less suspicious than if it was on its own, if it was left out it would have been hard to say he went to shoot bunnies without it on?

Why go out after 12 hour shift to shoot a couple of bunnies at distance without a silencer on, if the silencer is useless why invent one in the first place? 

He had no idea how the investigation would develop and it’s easy for us to say he would have done this or he would have done that, killers don’t think everything through or they would never get caught, so he had a choice ditch something the relatives knows is in the house or wipe it clean and give his story he left it he rifle minus the silencer?   It nearly worked anyway, Taff and the investigation went for murder/suicide.

I have often thought why. The rabbit story maybe true. However, It may have been because the conversation between SC, June and NB was becoming tetchy, creating an aura of unpleasantness and he wished to remove himself from the scene because he could not get involved or take sides.

[Hardy Boy]

I have often thought why. The rabbit story maybe true. However, It may have been because the conversation between SC, June and NB was becoming tetchy, creating an aura of unpleasantness and he wished to remove himself from the scene because he could not get involved or take sides.

Are you saying he made up the Rabbit story then or are you saying it’s true but he went out after a hard days work to shoot rabbits late in the evening just get out the way?  One minute you say it maybe true, then you throw in however?

[ILB]

I have often thought why. The rabbit story maybe true. However, It may have been because the conversation between SC, June and NB was becoming tetchy, creating an aura of unpleasantness and he wished to remove himself from the scene because he could not get involved or take sides.

The rabbit story is feasible as they are invasive to farm crops and Jeremy Bamber was a farmer.

[Hardy Boy]

I have often thought why. The rabbit story maybe true. However, It may have been because the conversation between SC, June and NB was becoming tetchy, creating an aura of unpleasantness and he wished to remove himself from the scene because he could not get involved or take sides.

If you only think it Maybe true, Maybe you should look at why he would invent such a story then?

[Hardy Boy]

The rabbit story is feasible as they are invasive to farm crops and Jeremy Bamber was a farmer.

They didn’t seem to bother Neville, he took the sights and silencer off and packed them at the back of the gun cupboard,  I would have thought a farmer would have sights and silencer on hand to shoot invasive vermin? Well I say Neville took them off, either him or Jeremy did I suppose?

[ILB]

Would have thought even with authorization of the keys to AE, the firearms would have been stored securely by police. Even though AE was custodian of WHF she was not living there and the farm was basically a vacant property containing firearms. Even by lax 1980s standards that would be a potential recipe for disaster. Farms are routinely broken into, and public protection was the mantra even in the 80s.

What must have happened is that AE and Co promised to get rid of the guns ( safe place) and the police accepted their word for it. ( Hence DB stating that in his statement )

Shows you how lax things were back in the day.

[ILB]

Perhaps if Taff didn't jump to murder suicide straight away a more detailed investigation would have taken place and all the guns and accessories would have been collected.

Whether or not this would have resulted in the blood being found or not at all on the moderator depends which ever stance you take I guess.

[ILB]

Really shocked that the moderator wasn't discovered in the immediate aftermath.

Not so much a case of them not looking it for it in the first place. I mean it just been found due to general inqusitvness.

The door of the cupboard was easily accessible and what would have been found would have piqued interest as a matter of common sense.