The AGA burns revisited.

[Cambridgecutie]

Why do you never refer to his expertise on 'Tool Marks' He can determine what tools could have made marks on a victim including items in the surroundings

He is considered a ballistics expert.  His qualifications and expertise with regard to toolmarks relate to firearms only:

https://www.nist.gov/spo/forensic-science-program/firearms-and-toolmarks

He is not qualified to offer up opinion on marks on a body and associate those marks with burns from an Aga    I doubt even a burns expert and pathologist would go on record with such a claim.  Hence even Dr V described the instrument use to inflict blows to NB as a blunt instrument even though it was widely considered to have been the rifle. 

[Adam]

It had to be the rifle as part of it fell off.

Wrestling for the rifle also left the aga scratches.

[ngb1066]

It was a mistake made in a tense situation. A reflex action by a member of the TFG who had never had any previous experience of entering a premises when confronted by a possible siege situation.

I posted this in 2021.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=10729.msg494566#msg494566

If police shot anyone it would have been clear from the nature of the wound.  The TFG were armed with high powered centrefire rifles and not .22 rimfire weapons.  This is something suggested years ago by Andrew Hunter but it is a complete non starter.

[Hardy Boy]

Its hard to say how long Nevill was knocked out, ILB, all depends how long it took for the Aga to burn his back!
I believe he woke up with some brain damage from internal bleeding.
'a moderate brain injury is defined as a loss of conciousness for between 15 mins and 6hrs'

'severe brain injury is usually defined as being a condition where the patient has been in an unconcious state for 6hrs or more'

I believe Nev was beaten and recieved a moderate brain injury!

He might have got a headache or slight loss of consciousness that lasted moments, was the expert opinion.

[Curiosity]

If police shot anyone it would have been clear from the nature of the wound.  The TFG were armed with high powered centrefire rifles and not .22 rimfire weapons.  This is something suggested years ago by Andrew Hunter but it is a complete non starter.

According to Chris Bews, the first group of four TFG members would have been armed with a shotgun and three Smith & Wesson .38 revolvers, followed by a second group armed similarly.  From around 33:20 minutes in -

https://audio.buzzsprout.com/1tc1qe5ikcrarwbqppa6ayrlnykq?response-content-disposition=inline&

[Bubo bubo]

If police shot anyone it would have been clear from the nature of the wound.  The TFG were armed with high powered centrefire rifles and not .22 rimfire weapons.  This is something suggested years ago by Andrew Hunter but it is a complete non starter.

How do we know for certain what weapons they were carrying? Could they have picked up a 22 weapon and been examining it at the time. We are also reliant on PV's autopsy. Something which I have misgivings about and I have posted about these issues. He described June's wounds.

[ILB]

With all due respect just getting very crackpot conspiracy theory.

[snow66!]

He might have got a headache or slight loss of consciousness that lasted moments, was the expert opinion.

Is this in reference to Nevill, HB? If so, what injuries are they talking about and at which stage?

[Curiosity]

With all due respect just getting very crackpot conspiracy theory.

As if Vanezis was part of a massive conspiracy/cover-up. Of course it's absolute piffle.

[Hardy Boy]

Is this in reference to Nevill, HB? If so, what injuries are they talking about and at which stage?

Well we are on a topic about the AGA burns and I gave you another clue by saying HE, so who do you think I’m referring to?

[ngb1066]

According to Chris Bews, the first group of four TFG members would have been armed with a shotgun and three Smith & Wesson .38 revolvers, followed by a second group armed similarly.  From around 33:20 minutes in -

https://audio.buzzsprout.com/1tc1qe5ikcrarwbqppa6ayrlnykq?response-content-disposition=inline&

I believe at least one of the Police officers carried a mini Ruger carbine. I would be very surprised if any of them had a shotgun.  .38 revolvers were quite likely at that time.

[snow66!]

Well we are on a topic about the AGA burns and I gave you another clue by saying HE, so who do you think I’m referring to?

But whose expert opinion are you refering to, HB?

[Hardy Boy]

But whose expert opinion are you refering to, HB?

This expert is the only person who examined Ralphs injuries to the extent of shaving his head and cutting him open. He said there is CERTAINLY NO underlying fracture to the skull, he goes on to further say when questioned by Drake,  lapse of consciousness but in his view he would have RECOVERED VERY QUICKLY. I didn’t mention any name, because you like Bubo will revert back to a cover up. I would have thought for you to make such bold claims like you have, you would at least do some research.

[ILB]

How do we know for certain what weapons they were carrying? Could they have picked up a 22 weapon and been examining it at the time. We are also reliant on PV's autopsy. Something which I have misgivings about and I have posted about these issues. He described June's wounds.

Bubo, is JB actively championing this theory ?

[Hardy Boy]

No no, Nevill regained conciousness soon after and phoned JB at 3.10. ILB!

Your making unconscious seem like a walk in the park, as though Neville has been asleep for a couple of hours, it’s very obvious you have never dealt with such condition and the effects it causes for the person when they come round.