The AGA burns revisited.

[snow66!]

'If someone is knocked unconscious for more than a minute and symptoms don't fade within a few minutes, it is important to bring them to an emergency room to get checked for a more severe traumatic brain injury. Doctors will check to make sure there is no internal bleeding or bruising that can be dangerous.'

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Three hours. I can get from London to Ibiza in that time.

Ha ha, very good Adam, very good!

[Cambridgecutie]

To me putting it bluntly Boyce filled Bambers head or his legal team full of hope and magic and lined his pockets. Not disputing his expertise. But nothing will undermine the verdict by this excersise.

Why not?  He is a ballistics expert and has no relevant qualifications pertaining to burns or pathology.

[ILB]

Do not confuse the coverup with the framing. The bodies were moved for two reasons. June and SC to coverup the accidental shooting of June and NB to gain access to the firebox. It was restaged as murder suicide as opposed to murder suicide and an accidental shooting.

Why would they shoot June?

[ILB]

Why not?  He is a ballistics expert and has no relevant qualifications pertaining to burns or pathology.

He's a forensic scientist and toolmarks expert.

[ILB]

Why not?  He is a ballistics expert and has no relevant qualifications pertaining to burns or pathology.

To be honest as stated it won't overturn the conviction. Which is the fundamental matter.

[snow66!]

Why suggest they are all lying, in a high profile murder case, on the basis of a theory based on an Aga experiment?

Well, it is Boyce and the campaign team who claim that Nevill was moved from the Aga to the scuttle by the police, Dan, not me remember!
I am the knockout man!

[Hardy Boy]

This is a new level of conspiracy from you.  Even more bizarre.  It is not even worthy of debunking.

I guess it’s up there with your nonsense, Stan climbed through WHF window and planted his own blood on the silencer.

[snow66!]

12am to 3am on 7.8.85?

Well that's the call from dad theory knackered.

No no, Nevill regained conciousness soon after and phoned JB at 3.10. ILB!

[snow66!]

Difficult to argue scene manipulation especially when the original conclusion came to murder suicide.

Boyce no doubt has credentials but they don't marry with the SOC and chain of events.

Bubo says the scene was manipulated to cover-up the accidental shooting of June by the TFG.

[ILB]

No no, Nevill regained conciousness soon after and phoned JB at 3.10. ILB!

Knocked out cold for three hours?

What was shelia doing in the three hour period!

Getting crackers

[snow66!]

Knocked out cold for three hours?

What was shelia doing in the three hour period!

Getting crackers

She was killing June and the boys before cleaning herself up and writing the farewell letters, ILB.
Or whatever else, maybe reading the bible for a while, who knows?

[Bubo bubo]

Why not?  He is a ballistics expert and has no relevant qualifications pertaining to burns or pathology.

Why do you never refer to his expertise on 'Tool Marks' He can determine what tools could have made marks on a victim including items in the surroundings

[snow66!]

Knocked out cold for three hours?

What was shelia doing in the three hour period!

Getting crackers

Its hard to say how long Nevill was knocked out, ILB, all depends how long it took for the Aga to burn his back!
I believe he woke up with some brain damage from internal bleeding.
'a moderate brain injury is defined as a loss of conciousness for between 15 mins and 6hrs'

'severe brain injury is usually defined as being a condition where the patient has been in an unconcious state for 6hrs or more'

I believe Nev was beaten and recieved a moderate brain injury!

[Cambridgecutie]

I guess it’s up there with your nonsense, Stan climbed through WHF window and planted his own blood on the silencer.

My theory is possible and plausible.

The small blood stains on the outside of the silencer could have come from anyone including DS Jones.  He would know only too well that small blood stains were inacapable of showing anything other than confirmation of blood from a human.

Bubo's theory is neither possible or plausible.

[Bubo bubo]

Why would they shoot June?

It was a mistake made in a tense situation. A reflex action by a member of the TFG who had never had any previous experience of entering a premises when confronted by a possible siege situation.

I posted this in 2021.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=10729.msg494566#msg494566