Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981

[Steve_uk]

He had to have a pretext for any jemmied window discovered or muddy the waters before a jury as to how such marks may have come about.

Re: Bourtree Cottage. It had slipped my mind, and to be fair if he had given the workers a pay rise as it's stated in the books he would have stayed around White House Farm in the very short term.

[ILB]

He had to have a pretext for any jemmied window discovered or muddy the waters before a jury as to how such marks may have come about.

That was the insinuation given by the prosecution.

[ILB]

He had to have a pretext for any jemmied window discovered or muddy the waters before a jury as to how such marks may have come about.

Re: Bourtree Cottage. It had slipped my mind, and to be fair if he had given the workers a pay rise as it's stated in the books he would have stayed around White House Farm in the very short term.

He did go out of his way to make sure the workers were paid what with everything going on.

[Cambridgecutie]

He had to have a pretext for any jemmied window discovered or muddy the waters before a jury as to how such marks may have come about.

Re: Bourtree Cottage. It had slipped my mind, and to be fair if he had given the workers a pay rise as it's stated in the books he would have stayed around White House Farm in the very short term.

According to DC Barlow he checked all ground floor windows and found the only window capable of closing from outside was the kitchen window.  When JB entered/exited for his car docs it was via the downstairs bathroom window. 

[Cambridgecutie]

No, he is telling the truth that they were.

I think suspicion is cast on his means of entry.

And why he didn't borrow a key off Jean Boutell for example.

Not sure why he wound call on JB.

It was very common in that period for people to lose, misplace, forget door keys and let themselves in by opening windows.  It was 40 years ago.  Long before UVPC and window locks.

[Adam]

He did go out of his way to make sure the workers were paid what with everything going on.

Julie said some wages were held back for himself.

[Adam]

Don't believe it is a big deal that he entered/exited WHF through windows after the massacre to collect documents.

He had told EP he knew how to enter/exit. Probably a regular thing he did for various reasons.

However the judge felt it important enough to include in his summing up.

[Hardy Boy]

I only got as far as your first sentence.  JB did not enter for his keys.  He had forgotten his keys so entered via a window for car docs because he wanted to use his car whilst travelling abroad:

279. In evidence the appellant stated that he had returned to the farm the night after his release or the night after that – i.e. on the 14 or 15 September. In evidence he said:

"After my arrest at Chelmsford I went to London, came back and had not got my key. I needed car documents kept in the office for a holiday and I got in the loo window. I left a note on B.Wilsons desk to ask her to pay my solicitors bills".

There's nothing remotely suspicious about this:

- We know he went abroad
- We know his car was in effect a company car
- We know when travelling abroad it is a legal requirement to take car insurance etc docs
- We know the company was run from NB's office within WHF
- We know it is usual for car related docs pertaining to company vehicles to be stored at the company's premises ie WHF.

Yes, excuse from getting it wrong, I’m on my iPhone and sometimes without my glasses on the wording goes wrong, I write something and I have to go back and change it?  It does correct me in the paragraph I copy and pasted from the COA though.

[Hardy Boy]

He could I suppose have made a pre trial admission before proceedings got underway.

I did think that as well ILB, I think questions are asked when they crop up from the CPS even when charged?  Not sure though NGB might correct me.  I think the defence would have seen what evidence the prosecution had, so this might have been one of the things in the bundle and the defence put to Jeremy?

[Hardy Boy]

No, he is telling the truth that they were.

I think suspicion is cast on his means of entry.

And why he didn't borrow a key off Jean Boutell for example.

Don't forget it’s been put to him during questioning as a means of entering and exiting to murder his family a few days earlier?

[Steve_uk]

Don't forget it’s been put to him during questioning as a means of entering and exiting to murder his family a few days earlier?

"Secure windows, insecure windows..it makes no difference."

[Cambridgecutie]

"Secure windows, insecure windows..it makes no difference."

Yes with regards to entering but he did not admit to knowing of a way to exit leaving any window secured from within. 

[Hardy Boy]

Don't forget it’s been put to him during questioning as a means of entering and exiting to murder his family a few days earlier?

You have to take this into consideration, how many murders go back to the scene to cover something up?

Discovering new information about the investigation or remembering a forgotten detail can cause concern, leading them to believe that returning might help them eliminate evidence or correct a mistake. This behavior is often driven by a desire to avoid detection and the consequences of their actions.

[Hardy Boy]

Yes with regards to entering but he did not admit to knowing of a way to exit leaving any window secured from within.

Why did you expect him to admit he knew of a way to exit and secure the window? 

[Cambridgecutie]

Why did you expect him to admit he knew of a way to exit and secure the window?

Because others claim JB claimed he knew of such when he claims he didn't.

I have always said it was something the jury needed to see for itself.  Too late now.