Putting the AM to bed.

[Rob_]

Don't understand your first paragraph.

He just had to let his AM pick up. Then hang up 10 seconds later.

Answering his own call or finding out if calls could be tracked are also things he could have done.

As usual, options.

Ok am with you now, yes but why don't the police make a big thing of this at trail? There has to be a reason the police never used the AM as evidence? Even Julie makes no mention of one?

But as always if he thinks calls are traceable he does not have time?       

                                                                                                                                             

[Rob_]

It can only be because if Bamber fakes a call he only has between 3.10 - 3.26 to get out the window and back to his cottage etc. etc. and the police feared the jury would think this cannot be done? As I do.

This leaves us with Bamber knew for sure calls could not be traced, then no need to show a gap in the calls at all.

[Zoso]

If JB had an AM pre murders it would have been incriminating and certainly would have been pored over.  It wasn't incriminating or pored over because he didn't have one pre murders.

Telephones 66. There were normally four telephones at White House Farm (although there was only one telephone line). A cream old-fashioned finger-dial telephone kept in the main bedroom (the bedroom telephone), a blue digital telephone in the first floor office (the office telephone), a cream cordless telephone kept in the kitchen but used around and outside the house (the cordless telephone) and a fawn digital telephone also kept in the kitchen (the kitchen telephone). The only telephone with a memory recall feature was the cordless telephone but this had been faulty and was collected for repair on the morning of 5 August 1985.

The cream old-fashioned finger-dial phone usually kept in the main bedroom was in the kitchen on the night of the murders.

What would be the point in scrutinising an answering machine weeks after a murder when any tapes would be wiped and the whole thing reset. What would be left on a machine from 1985 for anyone to find?

[Rob_]

What would be the point in scrutinising an answering machine weeks after a murder when any tapes would be wiped and the whole thing reset. What would be left on a machine from 1985 for anyone to find?

Any ideas why the prosecution never mentioned this at trail Zoso?

I have seen no evidence that JB actually had a AM, surely the police as Cc says would have been all over it?

[David1819]

Any ideas why the prosecution never mentioned this at trail Zoso?

I have seen no evidence that JB actually had a AM, surely the police as Cc says would have been all over it?

Jeremy never said he received a voice mail he said he answered a call. Hence there is no reason for anyone to start thinking about voicemails.

[Adam]

It can only be because if Bamber fakes a call he only has between 3.10 - 3.26 to get out the window and back to his cottage etc. etc. and the police feared the jury would think this cannot be done? As I do.

This leaves us with Bamber knew for sure calls could not be traced, then no need to show a gap in the calls at all.

He didn't go for the 16 minute turnover as rang Julie a long time before the police.

He may have still rang his AM for a record of a received call.

Or answered his own call.

Or made no call after research.


As usual, options.

[Adam]

Any ideas why the prosecution never mentioned this at trail Zoso?

I have seen no evidence that JB actually had a AM, surely the police as Cc says would have been all over it?

I posted evidence for you again yesterday.

[Rob_]

I posted evidence for you again yesterday.

Well if he had a AM before the tragedy I find it amazing the prosecution never mentioned this at trail?

Come on Adam even you say it's very incriminating so why not bang on about it at trial?

[Zoso]

Any ideas why the prosecution never mentioned this at trail Zoso?

I have seen no evidence that JB actually had a AM, surely the police as Cc says would have been all over it?

I don't suppose they thought it was important. What use would it be all those weeks later? Even if he had used it to register the call from WHF, there would be no evidence by then. The tape recording would be the valuable thing and they did take tapes (I believe).

[Adam]

Well if he had a AM before the tragedy I find it amazing the prosecution never mentioned this at trail?

Come on Adam even you say it's very incriminating so why not bang on about it at trial?

The prosecution did say he phoned GH from WHF. There narrative may have been this was via his AM.

No one has the full trial transcript.

[Adam]

Having an AM is very incrinating. Even ILB says Bamber saying he had turned it off 'reeks of guilt'.

Suspect the jury were aware he had an AM.

The prosecution did not pursue this as could not dis prove that he had turned it off.

[ILB]

Having an AM is very incrinating. Even ILB says Bamber saying he had turned it off 'reeks of guilt'.

On the night, yes if it's usual practice was to be on 24 7.

The jury didn't know nothing about the AM, it never featured.

I have his cross examination.

[ILB]

Suspect the jury were aware he had an AM.

You know full well they didn't know.

[Adam]

You know full well they didn't know.

Please supply the full trial transcript.

I would like to know more about what the prosecution said about Bamber phoning GH from WHF.

[Cambridgecutie]

What would be the point in scrutinising an answering machine weeks after a murder when any tapes would be wiped and the whole thing reset. What would be left on a machine from 1985 for anyone to find?

I hadn't even got as far as thinking about tapes as there's simply no evidence he had an AM pre murders.  If he did AE would have considered such when she was working out how long it would take JB to reach the phone and then questioned either why AM wasn't switched on or how JB got to it before it kicked in. 

The prosecution at trial would put it to the jury in terms of a) the AM was switched off or b) he was able to wake and get downstairs to answer phone before it kicked in.  JB would have been cross examined on it.  If he had an AM pre murders it would be highly relevant to his claim of a phone call from NB when he claimed he was sleeping "like a log" until he was woken up at circa 3.30am.