Crime Scene Video?

[BarefootDanC]

In a couple of recent Doc Maker articles there has been mention of a crime scene video.

I see that this has been claimed as long ago as 2008.

Is there any evidence at all for a Crime Scene Video?

[Adam]

No evidence.

The CT need to provide evidence it was protocol then. Either by the Raid Team or Police.

They have had long enough.

[Rob_]

In a couple of recent Doc Maker articles there has been mention of a crime scene video.

I see that this has been claimed as long ago as 2008.

Is there any evidence at all for a Crime Scene Video?

There are logs mentioning the video cassettes, notes mentioning their destruction and officers claiming to have seen the video as part of training.

All this can be easily cleared up if the CCRC started to use some of the extensive powers they have, and did a little bit of investigation.

[snow66!]

In a couple of recent Doc Maker articles there has been mention of a crime scene video.

I see that this has been claimed as long ago as 2008.

Is there any evidence at all for a Crime Scene Video?

The doc maker videos say that there was/is documentation for four viideo tapes.
The whistleblower saw the videos in 1991 as part of a training exercise carried out by a high up officer called Bernard. Cant remember all the details at the moment.
I think a tiktok article said the whistleblower gave a signed statement that was given to the CCRC.

[Rob_]

The doc maker videos say that there was/is documentation for four viideo tapes.
The whistleblower saw the videos in 1991 as part of a training exercise carried out by a high up officer called Bernard. Cant remember all the details at the moment.
I think a tiktok article said the whistleblower gave a signed statement that was given to the CCRC.

Cheers Snow, I just find it annoying that the CCRC seem do nothing.

[snow66!]

Cheers Snow, I just find it annoying that the CCRC seem do nothing.

Well, a desicion is overdue from the CCRC I believe , Rob.
Is that a good sign I wonder?

[Cambridgecutie]

Well, a desicion is overdue from the CCRC I believe , Rob.
Is that a good sign I wonder?

Based on the case of Roger Kearney I would say it is not a good sign.

RK made submissions to the CCRC Dec 2012 and they were rejected Oct 2017.  See points 6 and 9 below:

https://vlex.co.uk/vid/roger-kearney-v-the-839136076

I have very little knowledge about RK's case and no views either way I just look at some other cases to see how they are processed through the judicial system as a comparison to JB's.

I would say 99.9% JB's case will not be referred because it does not come close to meeting CPS criteria for a referral to CoA.

JB needs someone to tell him straight:

- FO all these totally misguided individuals (and that's putting politely) he is involving himself with
- A complete change in strategy for a further CCRC submission

[BarefootDanC]

The doc maker videos say that there was/is documentation for four viideo tapes.
The whistleblower saw the videos in 1991 as part of a training exercise carried out by a high up officer called Bernard. Cant remember all the details at the moment.
I think a tiktok article said the whistleblower gave a signed statement that was given to the CCRC.

So why did the whistleblower keep quiet for 34 years? The Campaign Team love their "training exercise" claims don't they.

This reminds me a of a claim made by George Barwood - that Edward Wayne Edwards, the notorious American serial killer, confessed to his friend "Margaret" that he committed various crimes, including framing Ruby for killing J F Kennedy, but "Margaret" didn't remember for 35 years because he hypnotised her and/or drugged her.

The claim is also that Edward Wayne Edwards killed Laci Peterson and framed Scott Peterson, as a government agent doing this to distract the general public from the 2003 war in Iraq.

[snow66!]

So why did the whistleblower keep quiet for 34 years? The Campaign Team love their "training exercise" claims don't they.

This reminds me a of a claim made by George Barwood - that Edward Wayne Edwards, the notorious American serial killer, confessed to his friend "Margaret" that he committed various crimes, including framing Ruby for killing J F Kennedy, but "Margaret" didn't remember for 35 years because he hypnotised her and/or drugged her.

The claim is also that Edward Wayne Edwards killed Laci Peterson and framed Scott Peterson, as a government agent doing this to distract the general public from the 2003 war in Iraq.

I dont know why the whistleblower waited all this time, Dan!
I'm only repeating what the doc maker claims.

[snow66!]

Based on the case of Roger Kearney I would say it is not a good sign.

RK made submissions to the CCRC Dec 2012 and they were rejected Oct 2017.  See points 6 and 9 below:

https://vlex.co.uk/vid/roger-kearney-v-the-839136076

I have very little knowledge about RK's case and no views either way I just look at some other cases to see how they are processed through the judicial system as a comparison to JB's.

I would say 99.9% JB's case will not be referred because it does not come close to meeting CPS criteria for a referral to CoA.

JB needs someone to tell him straight:

- FO all these totally misguided individuals (and that's putting politely) he is involving himself with
- A complete change in strategy for a further CCRC submission

What you mean is, the slam dunk simply isn't in the current submission, Cutie?

[Rob_]

Well, a desicion is overdue from the CCRC I believe , Rob.
Is that a good sign I wonder?

I don't know Snow, but I think there will soon be changes at the CCRC, it no longer operates in the interests of justice.

It apply's this impossibly high bar, which together with the police destroying valuable exhibits/evidence is impossible to fight.

[Adam]

I don't know Snow, but I think there will soon be changes at the CCRC, it no longer operates in the interests of justice.

It apply's this impossibly high bar, which together with the police destroying valuable exhibits/evidence is impossible to fight.

It needs to be a high bar.

The applicant has been arrested, charged, tried and convicted. So it needs to be something new & strong.

Less than 2% get referred to the COA. So most are trying it on.

[snow66!]

I don't know Snow, but I think there will soon be changes at the CCRC, it no longer operates in the interests of justice.

It apply's this impossibly high bar, which together with the police destroying valuable exhibits/evidence is impossible to fight.

Exactly Rob!
Surely the premature destruction of evidence must end.

[Cambridgecutie]

What you mean is, the slam dunk simply isn't in the current submission, Cutie?

You've got it!

[Cambridgecutie]

Exactly Rob!
Surely the premature destruction of evidence must end.

I agree.  The rules on how long they are retained for seems somewhat ambigious and vague.  I understand this is something that is being looked at along with changes to how the CCRC process applications.  Obviously doesn't help the likes of JB. 

Had the cartridge cases been retained it might have been possible to obtain fingerprints from them whereas it was difficult/impossible to do in 1985.