Reasons For Police And Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE)

[Cambridgecutie]

PACE sets out to strike the right balance between the powers of the police and the rights and freedoms of the public. Maintaining that balance is a central element of PACE.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice#:~:text=PACE%20sets%20out%20to%20strike,a%20central%20element%20of%20PACE%20.

The legislation was introduced on the back of abuse of police power especially with regard to witness/suspect testimony:

The Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) of 1984, while predating the quashing of the convictions of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four, was significantly influenced by the emerging evidence of police misconduct in those cases, which helped shape law reform.

Here's a more detailed explanation:
The Birmingham Six and Guildford Four:
These cases, involving the wrongful convictions of Irish men for bombings in the 1970s, highlighted serious issues with police procedures, including the use of coercion and fabrication of evidence.

PACE's Introduction:
The Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE) was introduced in 1984, partly in response to public and judicial concerns about police conduct, particularly in cases like the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four.

PACE's Impact:
PACE introduced key safeguards for suspects, including:
The right to legal representation and advice at the police station.
Mandatory audio recording of suspect interviews.
Limits on detention before charge.

Influence of the Cases:
The cases of the Birmingham Six and Guildford Four, where confessions were later found to be coerced, played a crucial role in shaping the need for legal reforms like PACE.

[Cambridgecutie]

I will always believe DS Jones used extreme coercion with JM and threatened her with accessory to murder.

DS Jones was an officer of long experience with some 24 years of policing experience at the time of WHF. Most of his career was spent in a pre PACE environment where he pretty much had carte blanche to do as he pleased. 

He served from 1961 to 1991 at South Ockendon, CID Grays, Tilbury, Brentwood, Scotland Yard, Maldon, Chelmsford & Witham.

[Adam]

If she could be charged with 'accessory to murder' by withholding information, then that is what SJ would have told her.

If he needed to.

[David1819]

If she could be charged with 'accessory to murder' by withholding information, then that is what SJ would have told her.

If he needed to.

She claimed she provided JB pills so he could sedate the family before killing them in a fire.

[Steve_uk]

She claimed she provided JB pills so he could sedate the family before killing them in a fire.

June had her own medication so they were not necessary. GPs are not about prescribing maximum strength sleeping pills on a first visit to the surgery anyhow.

[Cambridgecutie]

If she could be charged with 'accessory to murder' by withholding information, then that is what SJ would have told her.

If he needed to.

Were you there?  Was a solicitor present?  Were the interviews recorded?  The fact is NO ONE other than DS Jones and JM know what went on when she was holed up in the police training college and cut off from the outside world.  This in itself should set alarm bells ringing.  A middle-aged police officer with decades of experience in a pre-PACE environment alone with a very young woman with no experience of the criminal justice system presented an opportunity for him to abuse his power. 

[Adam]

Were you there?  Was a solicitor present?  Were the interviews recorded?  The fact is NO ONE other than DS Jones and JM know what went on when she was holed up in the police training college and cut off from the outside world.  This in itself should set alarm bells ringing.  A middle-aged police officer with decades of experience in a pre-PACE environment alone with a very young woman with no experience of the criminal justice system presented an opportunity for him to abuse his power.

Neither of us were there. So saying -

'I will always believe DS Jones used extreme coercion with JM and threatened her with accessory to murder'

won't go anywhere.

[BarefootDanC]

I will always believe DS Jones used extreme coercion with JM and threatened her with accessory to murder.

DS Jones was an officer of long experience with some 24 years of policing experience at the time of WHF. Most of his career was spent in a pre PACE environment where he pretty much had carte blanche to do as he pleased. 

He served from 1961 to 1991 at South Ockendon, CID Grays, Tilbury, Brentwood, Scotland Yard, Maldon, Chelmsford & Witham.

Do you have any evidence for your belief?

[Zoso]

I will always believe DS Jones used extreme coercion with JM and threatened her with accessory to murder.

DS Jones was an officer of long experience with some 24 years of policing experience at the time of WHF. Most of his career was spent in a pre PACE environment where he pretty much had carte blanche to do as he pleased. 

He served from 1961 to 1991 at South Ockendon, CID Grays, Tilbury, Brentwood, Scotland Yard, Maldon, Chelmsford & Witham.

Had she not believed he was guilty, I doubt that would have had any effect. If the thought of Bamber having killed his family had been truly alien, I doubt she would have cracked.

[Roch]

Had she not believed he was guilty, I doubt that would have had any effect. If the thought of Bamber having killed his family had been truly alien, I doubt she would have cracked.

So threatened, and bluffed co-conspirators, don't turn on eachother? Or people who are less culpable than the defendent don't become scared when they are worked on by police? Do me a favour.

[Zoso]

So threatened, and bluffed co-conspirators, don't turn on eachother? Or people who are less culpable than the defendent don't become scared when they are worked on by police? Do me a favour.

Would you turn on your partner under the same circumstances when you KNEW they were innocent? This also doesn't explain how Julie created a BS story about MM.

What favour?

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you have any evidence for your belief?

Do you have any evidence for your belief that her WS of 8th Aug was not the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

[Adam]

Do you have any evidence for your belief that her WS of 8th Aug was not the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Her WS on the 8th was all true.

It was only 2 pages. Mainly about the history of her & Bamber.

She did omit things which went into her 23 page WS a month later.

[ILB]

Jez dropped a bollock getting involved with this bird

[Cambridgecutie]

Her WS on the 8th was all true.

It was only 2 pages. Mainly about the history of her & Bamber.

She did omit things which went into her 23 page WS a month later.

In which case it wasn't the whole truth and nothing but the truth.