Hearing New Evidence

[Adam]

All depends on Bamber's plan and confidence.

He knew WHF & his targets better than anyone.

Quite possible he wasn't going for an 11 shot massacre & was confident no one would hear him shoot the twins 8 times & re load.

[Adam]

The twins sustained a total of 8 gunshot wounds which were all fired in quick succession after June and NB sustained their initial gunshot wounds.

June sustained 5/6 gunshot wounds whilst she was in bed.  NB sustained 2 gunshot wounds on the landing and 2 on the main stairs.  These were the first shots fired from the magazine JB left.

Do you agree with Rob that Nevill was chasing Sheila around WHF?

Benny Hill style.

[Adam]

Going for an 11 shot massacre would mean shooting the twins first. Once each.

Would then be looking for 8 shots on Nevill/June. But panicked after Nevill reacted & fired 9 shots.

[Rob_]

Going for an 11 shot massacre would mean shooting the twins first. Once each.

Would then be looking for 8 shots on Nevill/June. But panicked after Nevill reacted & fired 9 shots.

If Sheila is the shooter she would only have 8 bullets max in the magazine, not 10 plus 1 in the breach.

[Cambridgecutie]

If Sheila is the shooter she would only have 8 bullets max in the magazine, not 10 plus 1 in the breach.

How do you arrive at this?  JB said he left the mag with 8 - 10 rounds having removed the cartridge from the breech. 

The soc evidence shows June sustained 5/6 gunshot wounds in the first round and NB 4 gunshot wounds upstairs.  These were the first gunshots fired and inflicted on the victims.

[Rob_]

How do you arrive at this?  JB said he left the mag with 8 - 10 rounds having removed the cartridge from the breech. 

The soc evidence shows June sustained 5/6 gunshot wounds in the first round and NB 4 gunshot wounds upstairs.  These were the first gunshots fired and inflicted on the victims.

I am assuming Nevil would have put the gun away and emptied the magazine.

Sheila would only be able to load 8 bullets at most as the bullets get progressively stiff to insert.

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you agree with Rob that Nevill was chasing Sheila around WHF?

Benny Hill style.

Please desist with making light of the horror the victims experienced. 

The soc evidence does not support NB chasing SC around WHF.  The soc evidence supports SC inflicting the two gunshot wounds to NB's face on the stairs immediately proceeding the main bedroom.  NB turned and when he was on the main staircase, facing downstairs, SC inflicted the gunshot wounds to NB's shoulder and elbow/chest.  By this stage NB had lost complete use of his left arm and had the head shots not supervened the face shots would have killed him.  He was in great pain and losing a lot of blood and in no poistion to put up any sort of defence when SC started inflicting blows to him with the rifle.

[Cambridgecutie]

I am assuming Nevil would have put the gun away and emptied the magazine.

That's an assumption on your part and contradicts with the soc evidence.

Sheila would only be able to load 8 bullets at most as the bullets get progressively stiff to insert.

That's another assumption on your part.  You do not know what SC was capable of in terms of loading the cartridges. 

The soc evidence supports the magazine left with 10/11 bullets.  June sustaining 5/6 in the first round and NB 4 in the first round.

[Rob_]

That's an assumption on your part and contradicts with the soc evidence.

That's another assumption on your part.  You do not know what SC was capable of in terms of loading the cartridges. 

The soc evidence supports the magazine left with 10/11 bullets.  June sustaining 5/6 in the first round and NB 4 in the first round.

Yes it's an assumption, but MF at trail demonstrated how the last few bullets became very stiff to insert.

I think it is reasonable to assume Sheila could not fully load the rifle.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes it's an assumption, but MF at trail demonstrated how the last few bullets became very stiff to insert.

I think it is reasonable to assume Sheila could not fully load the rifle.

Do you think MF/FSS Huntingdon are reliable expert witnesses? 

I think it is reasonable to assume Sheila did not fully load the rifle based on the soc evidence.

[Adam]

Please desist with making light of the horror the victimsexperienced. 

The soc evidence does not support NB chasing SC around WHF.  The soc evidence supports SC inflicting the two gunshot wounds to NB's face on the stairs immediately proceeding the main bedroom.  NB turned and when he was on the main staircase, facing downstairs, SC inflicted the gunshot wounds to NB's shoulder and elbow/chest.  By this stage NB had lost complete use of his left arm and had the head shots not supervened the face shots would have killed him.  He was in great pain and losing a lot of blood and in no poistion to put up any sort of defence when SC started inflicting blows to him with the rifle.

Please desist from drinking while posting and creating multiple profiles. It makes light of the horror at WHF.

Rob said Nevill was chasing Sheila around WHF. This is similar to the Benny Hill sketches.

What do you think Sheila was doing when Nevill picked up the phone & decided only Bamber could save the day?

[Rob_]

Do you think MF/FSS Huntingdon are reliable expert witnesses? 

I think it is reasonable to assume Sheila did not fully load the rifle based on the soc evidence.

No, and I don't like the word "expert" as the LL case shows.

[BarefootDanC]

It would be new evidence, what effect it would have on the case is immaterial it would still be new evidence.

What prevented the defence from coming up with the Aga evidence at the trial?

[Adam]

What prevented the defence from coming up with the Aga evidence at the trial?

Believe the defence narrative was they were not burns. Prof Knight testifying such.

[Rob_]

What prevented the defence from coming up with the Aga evidence at the trial?

I am not sure what you are asking?

If something is known at trail and not used by the defense that is one thing, but if something comes to light years latter not known at the trial that is something else.