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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2025, 04:29:PM »
If walking you would not go via the sea wall, in any case I would say it would be less than 70 minutes.

A young guy could walk around 4mph.

The only other walking route is the BHL route.

This is concrete roads & farm roads. So perfect for cycling.
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« Reply #91 on: March 15, 2025, 08:07:PM »
The only other walking route is the BHL route.

This is concrete roads & farm roads. So perfect for cycling.

Depending on crops you can walk across most fields and generally around the edges in situations where it would be impossible to cycle. He does not have to follow recognised walking routes.

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« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2025, 08:17:PM »
Actually I don't ILB, in those days few people had double glazing plus it was a warm time of the year fan lights open etc. yet no one heard a car.

To drive would be total madness but good we all have different views on the case.

Rob it would be easy mate back in 85. These days what with the cctv not so much.

We don't even know for sure he even left WHF that night. DF reports hearing a car, but it's not Crystal. He may have even returned on the pretext of staying over at WHF for an early start. He had a room at the farmhouse. It was his childhood home.
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« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2025, 08:17:PM »
Reference the phonecalls to Julie he would have been capable if having a quiet conversation at 10pm out of earshot.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2025, 09:03:PM »
Depending on crops you can walk across most fields and generally around the edges in situations where it would be impossible to cycle. He does not have to follow recognised walking routes.

Both sides went by Wilkinson's WS. Which said he could not take a short cut across fields.

Walking on cycle paths, farm tracks and roads can be done  . But would take too long and be too tiring.

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« Reply #95 on: March 16, 2025, 02:11:PM »
Both sides went by Wilkinson's WS. Which said he could not take a short cut across fields.

Walking on cycle paths, farm tracks and roads can be done  . But would take too long and be too tiring.

Because they needed him cycling because of time issues.

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« Reply #96 on: March 16, 2025, 02:49:PM »
Because they needed him cycling because of time issues.

Even the defence?
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« Reply #97 on: March 16, 2025, 03:27:PM »
The defence made the right choice in not disputing that it was possible to cycle to/from WHF.

The prosecution would have crucified them & magnified what a good option it was.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #98 on: March 16, 2025, 03:31:PM »
Rob it would be easy mate back in 85. These days what with the cctv not so much.

We don't even know for sure he even left WHF that night. DF reports hearing a car, but it's not Crystal. He may have even returned on the pretext of staying over at WHF for an early start. He had a room at the farmhouse. It was his childhood home.

I put this forward years ago, still think it might have happened.

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« Reply #99 on: March 16, 2025, 04:14:PM »
I put this forward years ago, still think it might have happened.

Very feasible and could have happened.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #100 on: March 16, 2025, 04:15:PM »
The defence made the right choice in not disputing that it was possible to cycle to/from WHF.

The prosecution would have crucified them & magnified what a good option it was.

Sea wall is absolutely ridiculous.

Road possible, but just too much messing around for me.

Walking would have been a better option than cycling.

The car is the best bet for him.
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« Reply #101 on: March 16, 2025, 04:48:PM »
I put this forward years ago, still think it might have happened.
Do you have the post Zoso? I believe it was something akin to him being in the far side of the rape field. But wouldn't the theory jar with the guy who saw his Astra outside Bourtree Cottage around midnight?

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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #102 on: March 16, 2025, 06:14:PM »
Sea wall is absolutely ridiculous.

Road possible, but just too much messing around for me.

Walking would have been a better option than cycling.

The car is the best bet for him.
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Or is it?  ::)
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #103 on: March 16, 2025, 06:53:PM »
Absolute proof that Jeremy used a bike and wore a wet-suit! - a recently discovered photo which a witness took of him when she was walking along the seawall in the early hours of 7th. August 1985 -

https://thedocmaker.substack.com/p/occams-razor?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Or is it?  ::)
I favour the second scenario. Whether she wished them all dead, similar to Elinor Carlisle in an Agatha Christie novel is moot, though her inability to accomplish such a mission gave her brother the pretext he needed for the family annihilation. A master at dissimulation, he fooled many for a time, and continues to do so with smaller numbers to this day, though anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the case has come to the devastating conclusion that the murders were not the act of an insane individual, sick and incognizant, but that of a deliberate, cold-blooded killer, equally sick and insane in his own particular way.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #104 on: March 16, 2025, 06:54:PM »
Absolute proof that Jeremy used a bike and wore a wet-suit! - a recently discovered photo which a witness took of him when she was walking along the seawall in the early hours of 7th. August 1985 -

https://thedocmaker.substack.com/p/occams-razor?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Or is it?  ::)

You beat me to it. I thought Adam would love that as new profile pic.