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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #120 on: March 17, 2025, 02:14:PM »
A risk with the car is the off chance a passing police car decides to pull it due to the unsociable hours. The police may suspect that the driver is out burgling.

If he was stopped on the return journey, he's fucked. The same goes for cycling, any passing police car would view a guy cycling the roads at 2am suspicious and think he was out doing some kind of skullduggery.

Bews remarked that Bambers car was the only vehicle they saw on the way to WHF, a testament to how quiet the roads were at that hour(s)
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« Reply #121 on: March 17, 2025, 02:51:PM »
If someone clocks him cycling it's too crystal clear the possibility of an ID.

A car going past is a car, not a visual ID.

No one will remember the reg number as nobody would have any inkling the car was on its way to committ crimes.

Bike is much riskier in this regard

He was well known in the area, prominent family.

Doubt anyone would clock him travelling fast on a bike at 1am - 2am.

But agree there may be property security cameras. Which is why me & the prosecution believe he cycled The Sea Wall route.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #122 on: March 17, 2025, 02:55:PM »
Doubt anyone would clock him travelling fast on a bike at 1am - 2am.

It was hardly a mountain bike Adam. 

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« Reply #123 on: March 17, 2025, 02:57:PM »
Nevill employed Bamber & other farm labourers. He also owned other properties and the caravan site which was 5 miles away.

Suspect Bamber had farmed most of the land between WHF & Head Street. So knew he couldn't walk cross country.
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« Reply #124 on: March 17, 2025, 03:10:PM »
Interestingly CCTV was around in 1985. Although not as today.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #125 on: March 17, 2025, 03:29:PM »
Interestingly CCTV was around in 1985. Although not as today.

Maybe in city centers but I doubt you would find cctv in rural Essex in 1985. 

Amazing to think today JB would either appear or not on home cctv, doorbell cam, dash cam and all calls would be logged to the second.  If only...
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« Reply #126 on: March 17, 2025, 03:39:PM »
Very feasible and could have happened.

Where did he call JM from at circa 9.50pm if not his cottage?
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #127 on: March 17, 2025, 04:44:PM »
Doubt anyone would clock him travelling fast on a bike at 1am - 2am.

But agree there may be property security cameras. Which is why me & the prosecution believe he cycled The Sea Wall route.

No way he went via cycle, Ludicrous.
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« Reply #128 on: March 17, 2025, 04:48:PM »
No way he went via cycle, Ludicrous.

Tell that to EP, Julie & the successful prosecution.
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« Reply #129 on: March 17, 2025, 04:49:PM »
Tell that to EP, Julie & the successful prosecution.

It's fucking ridiculous
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #130 on: March 17, 2025, 04:52:PM »
Bambers comments on the route for the first time almost 40 years later calling it " laughable and madness "

Wilkinson undertook his task in October 1985, By this time Bamber was already charged and banged up on remand.

Neither at interview or trial was the route put forward to Bamber where he could formally deny or list unawareness.

The official prosecution stance on the route is " a route that avoided the main roads" ( coa r v bamber 2002)
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #131 on: March 17, 2025, 05:02:PM »
Millions of people cycle 4.2 miles (& more) daily. Have done for decades.

And they don't have a potential reward of 500k+.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #132 on: March 17, 2025, 05:04:PM »
Wonder how many miles Deliveroo cyclists cycle daily. Mind you they have electric bikes.

Bike couriers in London in the 80's & 90's would have covered a lot of miles. Believe they got paid per delivery.
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« Reply #133 on: March 17, 2025, 05:09:PM »
Going by Google Maps, WHF & Wycke Farm were the two main farms in the area.

So Bamber would have farmed the land between GH & WHF.

He would know he couldn't walk cross country.

June's bike being stolen 2 days earlier for his Sea Wall journey.
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Re: Hearing New Evidence
« Reply #134 on: March 17, 2025, 05:19:PM »
The Prosecution case is he cycled The Sea Wall route.

Miller saying on CTSB 'no one would see him in a million years'.
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