Raid Team Statements:

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/board,11.0.html

I will go through these over the next few days. Will be some interesting facts.

Just found out there was blood on the kitchen cupboards. This must have sprayed off Nevill.

The loud speaker was used for 'about 2 hours'. 

[Adam]

Says there was a double barrelled shot gun in the back office.

Maybe Nevill was going downstairs for that.

[Adam]

All the statements say the same thing about Nevill's position. Most commenting on how severe his head injuries were.

Obviously the aga ground will be dismissed.

[Adam]

Bamber told the police two of the ground floor doors have 3 & 4 bolts.

The kitchen door had one key lock in the door. He did not have a spare key.

[David1819]

I believe the noise that PC Hall reported hearing upstairs at 7:40am was Sheila shooting herself as he was approaching the stairs.

Supposedly it could have been PC Rozga on the other side of the house in the upstairs office. Yet evidence contradicts this, nor does it make sense.

Furthermore a contact shot is going to be muffled by what ever the muzzle is in contact with.

[Cambridgecutie]

I believe the noise that PC Hall reported hearing upstairs at 7:40am was Sheila shooting as he was approaching the stairs.

Supposedly it could have been PC Rozga on the other side of the house in the upstairs office. Yet evidence contradicts this, nor does it make sense.

Furthermore a contact shot is going to be muffled by what ever the muzzle is in contact with.

You want us to believe that the police surgeon, with decades of experience and president of the Association of Police Surgeons, was unable to determine that SC had taken her own life less than an hour before he certified her death? 

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

[Adam]

I believe the noise that PC Hall reported hearing upstairs at 7:40am was Sheila shooting herself as he was approaching the stairs.

Supposedly it could have been PC Rozga on the other side of the house in the upstairs office. Yet evidence contradicts this, nor does it make sense.

Furthermore a contact shot is going to be muffled by what ever the muzzle is in contact with.

Why do you think Sheila kept herself alive for over 4 hours after Nevill's 'around 3.10am' call?

Why did she decide to shoot herself when the police entered?

[Adam]

If Nevill got downstairs and got hold of a loaded shot gun, he would have two good options.

Tell Bamber to stop & give him the chance to.

Shoot him if he didn't.

So I do not agree Bamber left Nevill to go downstairs while he shot June. Nevill with a shot gun is too much of a threat.

[Adam]

Several raid team members mention the injuries to the back of Nevill's head.

This would be from bullets 5-8 as well as strikes by the rifle.

All the raid team report June as being dead by the bedroom door. Which refutes the claim that she was still alive and was shot by the police.

[Cambridgecutie]

Several raid team members mention the injuries to the back of Nevill's head.

This would be from bullets 5-8 as well as strikes by the rifle.

All the raid team report June as being dead by the bedroom door. Which refutes the claim that she was still alive and was shot by the police.

Why cater for the lowest common denominator?

[David1819]

Why do you think Sheila kept herself alive for over 4 hours after Nevill's 'around 3.10am' call?

Why did she decide to shoot herself when the police entered?

Same reason why Michael Ryan kept himself alive for three hours after the police arrived. A lot easier to kill others than yourself.


Sergeant Brightwell: "You are surrounded by armed police. Do as you are told and no harm will come to you."
...
Michael Ryan: "It's funny. I killed all those people but I haven't got the guts to blow my own brains out."

Mind you. Between 2000 to 2019, 60% of mass shooters in states did not take or attempt to take their own lives. James Holmes just surrendered to the police more or less as they showed up.

[Adam]

Same reason why Michael Ryan kept himself alive for three hours after the police arrived. A lot easier to kill others than yourself.


Sergeant Brightwell: "You are surrounded by armed police. Do as you are told and no harm will come to you."
...
Michael Ryan: "It's funny. I killed all those people but I haven't got the guts to blow my own brains out."

Mind you. Between 2000 to 2019, 60% of mass shooters in states did not take or attempt to take their own lives. James Holmes just surrendered to the police more or less as they showed up.

Why do you think Sheila didn't engage with the police?

[Cambridgecutie]

Same reason why Michael Ryan kept himself alive for three hours after the police arrived. A lot easier to kill others than yourself.


Sergeant Brightwell: "You are surrounded by armed police. Do as you are told and no harm will come to you."
...
Michael Ryan: "It's funny. I killed all those people but I haven't got the guts to blow my own brains out."

Mind you. Between 2000 to 2019, 60% of mass shooters in states did not take or attempt to take their own lives. James Holmes just surrendered to the police more or less as they showed up.

How can you attempt to draw any comparisons between Michael Ryan and Sheila Caffell and/or mass shootings in general?

Most people who carry out mass shootings have not been diagnosed with a serious mental illnes.  If they had they would not have access to a firearms licence. 

SC had previously discussed suicide ideation with her psychiatrist and others.

[Cambridgecutie]

Why do you think Sheila didn't engage with the police?

Because sadly she had already taken her own life.

[Adam]

Because sadly she had already taken her own life.

Agree she was dead before the police and Jeremy arrived.

Do you agree with the judge that she a limited time to do everything - 3.10am - 3.50am.