Inspector Burrell WS

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4994.0.html

[Adam]

This relates to the aledged 6.09am 999 call.

'At 6.09am this open line was linked up with our own '999' call line and was thereafter constantly monitored by PC Millbank'.

[Adam]

So Millbank started monitoring the WHF line from 6.09am. After it had been linked to the police's '999' call line.

The CT are claiming Sheila phoned 999 at 6.09am!

[David1819]

So Millbank started monitoring the WHF line from 6.09am. After it had been linked to the police's '999' call line.

The CT are claiming Sheila phoned 999 at 6.09am!

This was pointed out as soon as the CT made this claim in the first place.

[BarefootDanC]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4994.0.html

Unfortunately, Bamber's supporters will claim this is lies because (a) it was made in September (b) it is "unsigned" (by which they mean, this particular copy has a typed signature as opposed to a hand-written signature).

[Adam]

Unfortunately, Bamber's supporters will claim this is lies because (a) it was made in September (b) it is "unsigned" (by which they mean, this particular copy has a typed signature as opposed to a hand-written signature).

Do you believe it was one of the grounds submitted to the CCRC. Or just brought up to keep him in the media?

[Cambridgecutie]

Unfortunately, Bamber's supporters will claim this is lies because (a) it was made in September (b) it is "unsigned" (by which they mean, this particular copy has a typed signature as opposed to a hand-written signature).

a) Bamber's supporters are not a 'one size fits all'.  One could probably find as many diverse opinions as one can find with the opposition. 

b) The fact important documents are unsigned, ambigious, arguably of poor quality and often drawn up after the event is evidence of poor controls, processes, systems and a lack of oversight.  Not a good look for police investigations and the criminal justice system.

[BarefootDanC]

Do you believe it was one of the grounds submitted to the CCRC. Or just brought up to keep him in the media?

The "Sheila still alive at 6am - 7am" theory is one of the grounds submitted to the CCRC in 2021. I have been told that this has "now been strengthened" by the New York Times article, as they construe (mis-contrue) Milbank as saying he received a call from WHF.

[Adam]

The OS says this -

Issue 5 – Sheila Caffell – Multiple grounds which prove Sheila was alive until after the raid team entered the house. In addition, fresh evidence regarding Sheila at the scene.



Why this is important? Jeremy Bamber was standing outside the house in the company of many police officers when activity was logged as occurring within the house. Therefore, he cannot have been involved.

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Believe the Millbank claim was added later. Or just given to the media.

[Adam]

Why would Sheila keep herself alive until after the raid team entered?

I suppose the longer the time period, the more options for the CT.

At around 4am there is movement/trick of the light.

At 6.09am Sheila calls 999.

[Roch]

Why would Sheila keep herself alive until after the raid team entered?

Because she couldn't bring herself to finish the job until she had no choice but to do so.

[Cambridgecutie]

Because she couldn't bring herself to finish the job until she had no choice but to do so.

She did have a choice.  She could have surrendered to the loud hailer. 

In reality there's no evidence SC delayed taking her life after she murdered the victims.  The expert evidence supports this by way of Dr Craig's testimony. 

[Roch]

She did have a choice.  She could have surrendered to the loud hailer. 

In reality there's no evidence SC delayed taking her life after she murdered the victims.  The expert evidence supports this by way of Dr Craig's testimony.

What in Dr Craig's testimony undermines the suggestion that Sheila delayed in taking her own life?

If Sheila had surrendered to the loudhailer, she would not have been able to reunite with her 'babies' on the other side. I very much doubt that it was Sheila's intention to leave herself on Earth while the twins were in heaven. Therefore, any choice offered by the loudhailer was irrelevant.  She was in limbo and only carried out the final act upon being forced to do so by the police physically closing in on her. These are my opinions.

[Cambridgecutie]

What in Dr Craig's testimony undermines the suggestion that Sheila delayed in taking her own life?

If Sheila had surrendered to the loudhailer, she would not have been able to reunite with her 'babies' on the other side. I very much doubt that it was Sheila's intention to leave herself on Earth while the twins were in heaven. Therefore, any choice offered by the loudhailer was irrelevant.  She was in limbo and only carried out the final act upon being forced to do so by the police physically closing in on her. These are my opinions.

Dr Craig told the court at trial:

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

As evidenced on the other thread dedicated to Dr Craig he was a highly experienced police surgeon.  Do you really think it is credible to suggest he was unable to discern whether one victim died significantly later than the others?

I agree SC would have wanted to die with her children so why delay?  Your post seems somewhat contradictory?  On one hand you seem to be saying she would have wanted to die with her children and on the hand saying she delayed until the police forced entry?

[Curiosity]

Dr Craig told the court at trial:

38. At 8.10 a.m., Dr Craig attended the scene to formally certify the deaths. In cross-examination at the trial he said the deaths could have occurred at any time during the previous night. The appearance of Sheila Caffell's body suggested to him that the wounds had been inflicted by her own hand. In answer to the judge the witness made it clear this was not an opinion the jury should rely upon as a true indication that the injuries had been self-inflicted.

As evidenced on the other thread dedicated to Dr Craig he was a highly experienced police surgeon.  Do you really think it is credible to suggest he was unable to discern whether one victim died significantly later than the others?

I agree SC would have wanted to die with her children so why delay?  Your post seems somewhat contradictory?  On one hand you seem to be saying she would have wanted to die with her children and on the hand saying she delayed until the police forced entry?

Sheila didn't die with her children, who were callously killed by Uncle Jeremy without their mother nearby and who was similarly dispatched in the same bedroom as the mother she couldn't stand.