Prof Knight on Nevill's back burns.

[Cambridgecutie]

So you think they were recent but not from 'prodding' from a cold instrument as Knight said.

Internal. A pity Vanezis made a mistake saying they were 'distinct burn marks'.

Prof Knight was correct imo.  The marks were from prodding with a cold 'instrument' but they came from within the body/internally as opposed to externally.  The marks were caused by surgical hardware attached to NB's spine protruding through the skin.  As we know when a person dies blood pools in the lowest part of the body.  Given NB's found position the top of his neck, location of the surgical hardware, was the highest part of his body.  The combination of his head hanging forward, spine stretched, no blood and skin drying caused the surgical hardware to protrude against the skin from within the body resulting in the marks identified at pm.   

[Cambridgecutie]

On the contrary, it could have been undisclosed because it was harmful to the prosecution.

Neither the defence or prosecution made anything of it at trial because the expert evidence from Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight was inconclusive. 

[Adam]

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/forensic-evidence

This is what the OS said about Nevill's burns.

Although they are now saying the aga inflicted them.

[Adam]

They do not say why Sheila burned Nevill's back. She also had time restrictions. Heating the instrument on the aga plate takes 5 minutes.

[ILB]

She also had time restrictions.

How much?

[Roch]

Considering the largest mark has a an unburned area in the centre. I don't really see what else could have caused it. Also you can see in the top right that the burn mark is bleeding slightly. There is no blood on the AGA handle as far as I can see.

David, where did you get the image on the left, if you don't mind me asking?

[David1819]

David, where did you get the image on the left, if you don't mind me asking?

From the clip that Boyce appeared in.

[Cambridgecutie]

Considering the largest mark has a an unburned area in the centre. I don't really see what else could have caused it. Also you can see in the top right that the burn mark is bleeding slightly.There is no blood on the AGA handle as far as I can see.

No that's your perception.  Neither Dr Vanezis or Prof Knight said anything about bleeding and there was no corresponding blood stain on NB's pj top. 

[snow66!]

Considering the largest mark has a an unburned area in the centre. I don't really see what else could have caused it. Also you can see in the top right that the burn mark is bleeding slightly. There is no blood on the AGA handle as far as I can see.

Is it possible that the bleeding was caused when Nevills body was man handled into the body bag and transported to the morgue?
The damaged skin pulling appart?
Remember, the photos of the marks were taken at the morgue!
Well I presume they were taken at the morgue after Nevills pyjama jacket was removed??

[Cambridgecutie]

Is it possible that the bleeding was caused when Nevills body was man handled into the body bag and transported to the morgue?
The damaged skin pulling appart?
Remember, the photos of the marks were taken at the morgue!
Well I presume they were taken at the morgue after Nevills pyjama jacket was removed??

Please stop posting as fact without substance.  There's no evidence from Dr Vanezis or Prof Knight about the marks bleeding.

[snow66!]

Please stop posting as fact without substance.  There's no evidence from Dr Vanezis or Prof Knight about the marks bleeding.

Well, Dave thinks its blood Cutie, if so , I was just trying to give a reason why there was no blood on the Aga handle.
That is, the wound opened up when Nevill was moved by the police.Either from scuttle or Aga.
Whether the police moved Nevill from the Aga or not is being considered as you know!
Some of us think that it is possible that Nevill got up from the Aga on his own before being shot and ending up on the scuttle!

[Cambridgecutie]

Well, Dave thinks its blood Cutie, if so , I was just trying to give a reason why there was no blood on the Aga handle.
That is, the wound opened up when Nevill was moved by the police.Either from scuttle or Aga.
Whether the police moved Nevill from the Aga or not is being considered as you know!
Some of us think that it is possible that Nevill got up from the Aga on his own before being shot and ending up on the scuttle!

David is not an expert.  There is no expert evidence whatsoever that the marks on NB's back involved any bleeding.

There is no expert evidence NB was moved by the police.  On the contrary, the expert evidence shows his found position as depicted on soc images was entirely consistent with rigor mortis. 

[snow66!]

David is not an expert.  There is no expert evidence whatsoever that the marks on NB's back involved any bleeding.

There is no expert evidence NB was moved by the police.  On the contrary, the expert evidence shows his found position as depicted on soc images was entirely consistent with rigor mortis.

In that case, Nevill got up from the Aga by himself before being shot and killed on the scuttle!
OK,OK! I know you think the marks are old wounds Cutie, and you therefore disagree with Boyce!
BUT!! Are you sure you're right and Boyce is wrong Cutie??

[Cambridgecutie]

In that case, Nevill got up from the Aga by himself before being shot and killed on the scuttle!
OK,OK! I know you think the marks are old wounds Cutie, and you therefore disagree with Boyce!
BUT!! Are you sure you're right and Boyce is wrong Cutie??

Please desist with the overuse of exclamation marks when discussing the victims as it comes over as disrespectful. 

Boyce is not a pathologist.  My views are aligned with those of Prof Knight.

[Adam]

Please desist with the overuse of exclamation marks when discussing the victims as it comes over as disrespectful. 

Boyce is not a pathologist.  My views are aligned with those of Prof Knight.

Prodding.