Prof Knight on Nevill's back burns.

[Cambridgecutie]

Four different experts have said it was caused by the barrel. The only person saying it was the Aga is contradicting himself having said the former.

But at trial the HO pathologist said no such thing, nor did the defence pathologist.

[Rob_]

But even if it could be proven EP moved NB and the Aga caused the marks how would this exonerate JB?  How would it overcome the silencer and the other evidence put forward by the prosecution showing it wasn't SC: hand swabs, hands, nightdress?

Well there are only two options it was either the police who moved Nevil, or he was laying by the Aga for several hours before the first shots were fired.

It would mean no crime scene photos could be trusted at the very least.

[snow66!]

Bamber has been all over the place with the burns -

1986 - An expert was hired to claim it was from 'prodding' from a cold instrument.

2012 - Sheila inflicted the burns. But don't know why.

2021 - Nevill laid against a cold aga door. He was moved by the police & put onto a coal scuttle/chair & trousers pulled down.

Bamber being all over the place proves that he had no idea what made the marks, Adam=innocence!

[snow66!]

I think it is if you have some significant new evidence or argument which has not been considered at trial or appeal?

So if it can be proved the Aga caused the burns this would be new evidence?

Agree Rob!

[snow66!]

It would show the police completely changed the crime scene, or the tragedy occurred over hours and not a quick in and out by Bamber.

Agree Rob!
Why cant others see that?

[Cambridgecutie]

The 'Aga burns' will go nowhere.  Bamber will take it to judicial review.  It will go nowhere.  Then JB and his supporters will say the CCRC is corrupt. 

[ILB]

The 'Aga burns' will go nowhere.  Bamber will take it to judicial review.  It will go nowhere.  Then JB and his supporters will say the CCRC is corrupt.

Bambers 64 and fighting time.

This may well be his last crack of the dice.

[BarefootDanC]

The 'Aga burns' will go nowhere.  Bamber will take it to judicial review.  It will go nowhere.  Then JB and his supporters will say the CCRC is corrupt.

This is true. They will take all the recent submissions to the High Court, Admin Division, which will go no where. The first application in writing ("on the papers"), will be refused as will a second application ("renewed application to the full court"), orally in front of a panel of High Court judges.

Bamber's supporters will say that the CCRC is corrupt and High Court is corrupt.

I'll say to them "show me what they decided and we can discuss whether their response was reasonable".

[ILB]

Then it's an new set of submissions and back to square one.

And again a long period of wilderness.

I've no doubt he will carry on fighting till his last breathe.

But growing old in prison and fighting a MOJ is a tiresome affair.

[Roch]

I have no idea whether Boyce's theory is correct or not. As has been pointed out by CC, he is not a burns expert.

[Zoso]

It would show the police completely changed the crime scene, or the tragedy occurred over hours and not a quick in and out by Bamber.

That's only if you accept the THEORY that not only did the burns come from the AGA, but that Nevill lay unconscious for several hours while the burns formed. It's a none starter because it's a (far fetched) total theory that can never be proven. Bamber will never get another appeal based on theory.

[Rob_]

That's only if you accept the THEORY that not only did the burns come from the AGA, but that Nevill lay unconscious for several hours while the burns formed. It's a none starter because it's a (far fetched) total theory that can never be proven. Bamber will never get another appeal based on theory.

It won't be a theory for much longer, it should be easy to prove one way or the other if the Aga caused the burns/marks on Nevil.

It's a easy job for a expert in computer graphics/modelling to simulate various positions etc. of someone lying up against the Aga.

We know Nevil's build and the likely depth of penetration of the handles into his skin etc.   

[David1819]

It won't be a theory for much longer

In my opinion its a non-starter. The marks look nothing like the aga handles and it contradicts the bloodstain patterns on the floor.

To me its obvious what caused them.

PS: Images 4 and 5 I have increased the contrast to make it easier to see.

[Jane]

It won't be a theory for much longer, it should be easy to prove one way or the other if the Aga caused the burns/marks on Nevil.

It's a easy job for a expert in computer graphics/modelling to simulate various positions etc. of someone lying up against the Aga.

We know Nevil's build and the likely depth of penetration of the handles into his skin etc.

Did anyone note burns on Nevill's ears or scalp? Because, from the way the stooge is laying -given the length of time it's being claimed Nevill was in that position, i.e. head against a very hot part of the AGA, they'd certainly have been some damage.

[Rob_]

I don't think those images are shown to the same pixel scale David?

But I am not really worried either way, just trying to find the truth. Though I don't think the marks were caused by the rifle barrel?