Who thought up the two (or more) silencers theory?

[BarefootDanC]

Who thought up the two (or more) silencers theory?

I always assumed that this theory originated in the silly era of 2004 - 2011, because it wasn't raised at the 2002 appeal, but if you read some of the statements from the 1991 City of London Police investigation, it is clear they were asked if there were other silencers or if a silencer (another silencer) was seized on the 7th August!

[Cambridgecutie]

Who thought up the two (or more) silencers theory?

I always assumed that this theory originated in the silly era of 2004 - 2011, because it wasn't raised at the 2002 appeal, but if you read some of the statements from the 1991 City of London Police investigation, it is clear they were asked if there were other silencers or if a silencer (another silencer) was seized on the 7th August!

Are you saying the theory is silly?

[BarefootDanC]

Are you saying the theory is silly?

Yes, as with many of the grounds in the 2004 - 2011 submissions - rabbit's blood, Sheila still bleeding, 2 - 5 silencers, a 999 call "from within WHF", Nevill calling the police at 3:26 with Jeremy's call being at 3:36.

[BarefootDanC]

Are you saying the theory is silly?

Don't you agree that it is silly?

[ILB]

It doesn't matter in essence if thirty nine silencers were found. The only problem for Bamber is the one which contains the alternative suspects blood.

[Cambridgecutie]

Don't you agree that it is silly?

Yes in the context that any other silencer is capable of overriding the silencer exhibited at trial with the incriminating material. 

[David1819]

There is more than one version of the two silencer theory.

[Adam]

Yes, as with many of the grounds in the 2004 - 2011 submissions - rabbit's blood, Sheila still bleeding, 2 - 5 silencers, a 999 call "from within WHF", Nevill calling the police at 3:26 with Jeremy's call being at 3:36.

Have you got a printed list of the grounds?

Thought the 999 call is in the current submission.

I thought the only ground was that Nevill's burn marks were minus silencer.

[David1819]

It doesn't matter in essence if thirty nine silencers were found. The only problem for Bamber is the one which contains the alternative suspects blood.

It could be significant if the Pargeter rifle and silencer were in the WHF gun cupboard during the shootings.

It would mean the relatives took it away when they found the Bamber silencer, then for what ever reason concocted a story of it being elsewhere. Further undermining their credibility.

[ILB]

Always ponder why Nicholas blood wasn't found in the silencer after a contact shot.

[David1819]

Always ponder why Nicholas blood wasn't found in the silencer after such a close contact shot.

Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact shots. Had the silencer been used, one would expect to find bone fragments and "organic debris" (such as brain tissue?) and DNA inside the moderator. Yet there is none.

"Test shots on live pigs destined for slaughter showed that bone particles are a feature of backspatter from close-range shots to heads. Contamination of nearby surfaces by bone fragments and bone-plus-bullet fragments, as well as other organic debris, appears to be quite heavy."
"Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

[Rob_]

Who thought up the two (or more) silencers theory?

I always assumed that this theory originated in the silly era of 2004 - 2011, because it wasn't raised at the 2002 appeal, but if you read some of the statements from the 1991 City of London Police investigation, it is clear they were asked if there were other silencers or if a silencer (another silencer) was seized on the 7th August!

To me it's not a theory it's almost certain two silencers were examined by the lab/police.

Please take the trouble to do a bit of research.

Would the jury have convicted if they knew one silencer was examined and then the relatives found another? The provenance of the silencer is bad enough without there being more than one.

[ILB]

Nicholas Caffell suffered two contact shots. Had the silencer been used, one would expect to find bone fragments and "organic debris" (such as brain tissue?) and DNA inside the moderator. Yet there is none.

"Test shots on live pigs destined for slaughter showed that bone particles are a feature of backspatter from close-range shots to heads. Contamination of nearby surfaces by bone fragments and bone-plus-bullet fragments, as well as other organic debris, appears to be quite heavy."
"Detection of Bone and Bone-Plus-Bullet Particles in Backspatter from Close-Range Shots to Heads," Journal of Forensic Sciences, Vol. 36, No. 6, 1991, pp. 1745-1752,

It is strange.

[Adam]

There were no silencers examined by the police. It was murder/suicide. So no point.

The police may have done an inventory of the gun cupboard. Although can't see the point of that either if it is murder/suicide.

The relatives examined the items in the gun cupboard. The silencer with blood and paint on was handed in and tested.

[ILB]

There were no silencers examined by the police. It was murder/suicide. So no point.

The police may have done an inventory of the gun cupboard. Although can't see the point of that either if it is murder/suicide.

The relatives examined the items in the gun cupboard. The silencer with blood and paint on was handed in and tested.

Doubt there was an inventory. But can't say for certain.

Initial investigation as you say was a clean up mission, grieving lad, nutty sister, get to the coroners office, get the report, tidy up.

However I don't believe he was duped by Bamber, he formed his own view on his own merits in my belief. ( taff)