Refer or not!

[ILB]

What evidenced do you have that he didn't force her into a corner?

What evidence have you of him doing so?

You are alleging a copper abusing his power, you are saying Mugford was cocered into sending an innocent man down for life. You are saying this man orchestrated this.

[Cambridgecutie]

What evidence have you of him doing so?

You are alleging a copper abusing his power, you are saying Mugford was cocered into sending an innocent man down for life. You are saying this man orchestrated this.

She did not send him down for life.  The lab/blood/drawback phenomenon sent him down for life.

May I suggest you familiarise yourself with JM's 2002 wit stats.

[ILB]

She did not send him down for life.  The lab/blood/drawback phenomenon sent him down for life.

May I suggest you familiarise yourself with JM's 2002 wit stats.

Il rephrase, as a prosecution witness in the 1986 trial, where is your evidence to show that DS Jones made her do this?

Let me make it clear I'm open to all possibilities but without foundation it's a red herring isn't it?

[ILB]

JB needs to submit evidence that meet the criteria set out by the CPS:

The Court of Appeal may hear new evidence that was not adduced in the original proceedings (section 23(1)(c) Criminal Appeal Act 1968), if:

it appears capable of belief;
it may afford any ground for allowing the appeal;
it would have been admissible;
it is an issue which is the subject of the appeal;
there is a reasonable explanation for the failure to adduce it.

He submits material that goes no way to meeting the above criteria hence its rejected.

Yes, and so far he has failed.

Time will tell. Who knows.

[Cambridgecutie]

Il rephrase, as a prosecution witness in the 1986 trial, where is your evidence to show that DS Jones made her do this?

Let me make it clear I'm open to all possibilities but without foundation it's a red herring isn't it?

Have you read her 2002 wit stats?

[ILB]

Have you read her 2002 wit stats?

Sometime ago yes.

[Cambridgecutie]

Sometime ago yes.

And you think this was police protocol?

[ILB]

And you think this was police protocol?

Are you referring to the midland bank Alan Dovey thing?

I would have to have another read.

[ILB]

In lomaxs book JB claims he was interviewed without a solicitor.

In the transcripts he has a MR Richard Pirie and a Mr Bruce Bowler represent him.

Was he interviewed other times? Certainly wasn't interviewed pre charge on his final arrest.

[Cambridgecutie]

Are you referring to the midland bank Alan Dovey thing?

I would have to have another read.

No.  I am referring to the fact she was 'placed' in the police training college and shut off from the outside world and supervised at all times.

[ILB]

No.  I am referring to the fact she was 'placed' in the police training college and shut off from the outside world and supervised at all times.

Supervised for a year?

Do you think Mary Mugford knew Julie was lying? She was also a prosecution witness.

[Cambridgecutie]

In lomaxs book JB claims he was interviewed without a solicitor.

In the transcripts he has a MR Richard Pirie and a Mr Bruce Bowler represent him.

Was he interviewed other times? Certainly wasn't interviewed pre charge on his final arrest.

Why would I be impressed with anything Lomax said or didn't say?  He does not even get right the most basics about the blood.

[Cambridgecutie]

Supervised for a year?

Do you think Mary Mugford knew Julie was lying? She was also a prosecution witness.

Mary Mugford was not holed up in the police training college.  No one knows what went on between DS Jones and JM other than the pair.

[ILB]

Why would I be impressed with anything Lomax said or didn't say?  He does not even get right the most basics about the blood.

I don't expect you to be impressed. I am just interested as to when JBs interviews took place without a solicitor. This is what Lomax claims JB told him.

Unless Lomax is bullshitting.

[ILB]

Mary Mugford was not holed up in the police training college.  No one knows what went on between DS Jones and JM other than the pair.

No but I'm sure in that year period Mary Mugford and Julie Mugford met and spoke on plenty of occasions, mother and daughter.

Funny how she didn't unburden herself to her mother. Guess Mary is in on it too.