Lucy Letby- Scapegoat to protect Consultants/Doctors & NHS failures?

[nugnug]

more on the stats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9Yago3DjOI

[nugnug]

another nail in the coffin https://unherd.com/2025/03/how-safe-is-the-letby-verdict/

[gringo]

another nail in the coffin https://unherd.com/2025/03/how-safe-is-the-letby-verdict/

    The final nail possibly, nugs. Withholding exculpatory evidence is serious and should be enough by itself for a referral. The way that this conviction has been thoroughly dismantled publicly would make any retrial impossible. There is simply no evidence that stands up left to be bought against LL in any retrial. It has become impossible to defend this conviction and retain any credibility. The latest revelations add more weight to the belief that LL isn't a victim of a "MOJ" but rather the victim of a criminal conspiracy to pervert the course of justice..
      The repercussions of this travesty of a prosecution will be felt throughout the Criminal justice system. The upcoming Colin Norris appeal will only lead to even greater scrutiny on the use of "expert" witnesses, the gathering of evidence and the obvious conflicts of interest of those involved in these processes. I expect LL to be released before the end of this year. The conviction is beyond unsafe, it is unsustainable now.

[Roch]

If Letby's convictions are overturned, should Wes Streeting resign, in light of his recent remark?  Perhaps another question might be more realistic: would Streeting have made such a remark, if he had any awareness that Letby's convictions will be overturned?

[gringo]

If Letby's convictions are overturned, should Wes Streeting resign, in light of his recent remark?  Perhaps another question might be more realistic: would Streeting have made such a remark, if he had any awareness that Letby's convictions will be overturned?

     An even better question, Roch, is how does someone as ill qualified as Streeting even become Sec. of State for Health? The answer to that also answers why he would make such ill judged comments. He is a gatekeeper, just like the CCRC.

[Roch]

     An even better question, Roch, is how does someone as ill qualified as Streeting even become Sec. of State for Health? The answer to that also answers why he would make such ill judged comments. He is a gatekeeper, just like the CCRC.

I really don't see the attraction with him. Not sure why some put him on a pillar. It's obvious he'll be a strong candidate to take over from Starmer.

[gringo]

another nail in the coffin https://unherd.com/2025/03/how-safe-is-the-letby-verdict/

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/13/police-start-manslaughter-inquiry-into-senior-individuals-at-letby-hospital

     What a farce! This is desperate stuff now and a clear attempt to threaten/silence whistleblowers as the whole case falls apart. Every attempt thus far to silence criticism has failed and backfired, this will be no different. Just how much negligence, malfeasance and corruption is being covered up?

[gringo]

     From the guardian article linked above;

“Both the corporate manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter elements of the investigation are continuing and there are no set timescales for these,” he said.

Cheshire constabulary said its investigation into the deaths and non-fatal collapses of babies at the neonatal units of the Countess of Chester and the Liverpool women’s hospital between 2012 and 2016 was also continuing.

The announcement comes days before Lady Justice Thirlwall, the judge leading the public inquiry into the deaths, is scheduled to hear legal submissions for the inquiry to be paused given the CCRC is now involved.

Letby’s new barrister, Mark McDonald, told the Guardian: “The timing of this is of real concern. Is this really an attempt again by the police to control the narrative right before submissions are being made to Thirlwall for it to pause."

     

“Why are they doing this now? Is this another attempt to control the narrative? Particularly when there is substantial expert evidence that points the finger in a different direction.”

McDonald said the development raised “serious question marks” about the force’s decision making.

[nugnug]

from the telgrapg thirwell may be paused https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/14/lucy-letby-inquiry-paused-miscarriage-of-justice-fears-uk/

[nugnug]

interesting blog https://lucyletbynotes.blogspot.com/2025/03/more-babies-died-when-lucy-letby-was.html

[nugnug]

are there certan simlartays  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15023837/Lucy-Letby-Kathleen-Folbigg.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawMhdLxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlFRP1yDvAVcVgC5SxBcOkdltLerrMqfauOwcIsowTeJNyQcxxo-dyzeJlbw_aem_mKcEbtFVUzWLId1g_PRopQ

[Steve_uk]

are there certan simlartays  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15023837/Lucy-Letby-Kathleen-Folbigg.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawMhdLxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlFRP1yDvAVcVgC5SxBcOkdltLerrMqfauOwcIsowTeJNyQcxxo-dyzeJlbw_aem_mKcEbtFVUzWLId1g_PRopQ

That wouldn't be this case by any chance, would it..https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10225.0.html

[gringo]

are there certan simlartays  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15023837/Lucy-Letby-Kathleen-Folbigg.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawMhdLxleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHlFRP1yDvAVcVgC5SxBcOkdltLerrMqfauOwcIsowTeJNyQcxxo-dyzeJlbw_aem_mKcEbtFVUzWLId1g_PRopQ

    There are many similarities, nugnug, especially in the interpretation and presentation of statistics and medical evidence. In both cases the approach was back to front and antithetical to establishing truth. That is to say the evidence was approached with the view of guilt and making the evidence fit that theory rather than a search for the whole truth. Inconvenient facts ignored and questions left unasked to avoid inconvenient answers.
     Where it differs, or appears to, is that the Kathleen Folbigg conviction was seemingly a genuine MOJ. The prosecutors and experts didn't manipulate the statistics that led to the investigation and conviction of Kathleen Folbigg. Their mistakes appear genuine, just wrong headed. In the LL case there is no question that the statistics and claims that led to the Lucy Letby investigation/conviction are deliberately manipulated misrepresentations by "persons known". The Lucy Letby conviction is a "perversion", not a "miscarriage" of justice.
     No deaths were ignored in the Folbigg case, no careers/reputations on the line regardless of guilt/innocence and it appears at face value to be incompetence rather than conspiracy. The same cannot be said of the Letby case.
     
   

[gringo]

That wouldn't be this case by any chance, would it..https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10225.0.html

   Do you seriously question the Kathleen Folbigg conviction being overturned?

[Steve_uk]

    There are many similarities, nugnug, especially in the interpretation and presentation of statistics and medical evidence. In both cases the approach was back to front and antithetical to establishing truth. That is to say the evidence was approached with the view of guilt and making the evidence fit that theory rather than a search for the whole truth. Inconvenient facts ignored and questions left unasked to avoid inconvenient answers.
     Where it differs, or appears to, is that the Kathleen Folbigg conviction was seemingly a genuine MOJ. The prosecutors and experts didn't manipulate the statistics that led to the investigation and conviction of Kathleen Folbigg. Their mistakes appear genuine, just wrong headed. In the LL case there is no question that the statistics and claims that led to the Lucy Letby investigation/conviction are deliberately manipulated misrepresentations by "persons known". The Lucy Letby conviction is a "perversion", not a "miscarriage" of justice.
     No deaths were ignored in the Folbigg case, no careers/reputations on the line regardless of guilt/innocence and it appears at face value to be incompetence rather than conspiracy. The same cannot be said of the Letby case.
     
   

I don't think that's true. Didn't the father intervene at one point, putting the frighteners on the NHS hierarchy. Was was a few more dead babies to them as long as they could keep everything hushed up and continue to draw their huge salaries and add to their pension pot?