Lucy Letby- Scapegoat to protect Consultants/Doctors & NHS failures?

[gringo]

     All posters/readers of this forum, by definition, have a shared interest in alleged Miscarriages of Justice and the Justice system generally. I cannot recall a single MOJ that has fallen apart so quickly in the full glare of everyone. The truth now is that the "world and it's dog" know that the Lucy Letby conviction is not only "unsafe" but a self evident "fit up". Everyone but "Steve-They're all guilty"  knows it.  (Thanks for that one Rod Crosby). Everytime I see a post by Steve-UK in future, it will read as Steve-They're all guilty. This isn't going away as there is far too much "informed" noise and disquiet about the conviction.
      The preposterous "Thirlwall Inquiry" is dead in the water and nothing more than a sick, twisted joke given where we are now in terms of the wider public discussion which itself is informed by much new information from real experts giving their time and expertise pro bono rather than a discussion informed by discredited for hire hack, Dr Dewi Evans. Everything that Evans had access to has been addressed by the pre-eminent specialists in their fields and a cause of death given in every case. None of the babies were murdered. They all died due to natural causes or good old fashioned poor care and medical mistakes. The only person to have found otherwise is Dewi Evans, the "expert witness" who presented himself to Cheshire Police in 2017 The circumstances as described by Evans are clearly bollocks and covering up the real circumstances, imo.
     Anyway after mysteriously presenting himself to Cheshire Police, Evans, "knew within 10 minutes" of being given the notes on one of the babies "that it was murder". Strangely the original pathologist didn't see this and nor has anyone since.
      Evans credentials as an expert witness are best summed up by "Lord Justice Jackson". His damning indictment of Evans was raised at the original trial in an attempt by Ben Myers(LL,s KC) to have Evans "evidence" disregarded. Judge Goss instead allowed Evans absurd theories to be considered "evidence" despite the following from LJ Jackson (a much more senior judge than Goss);

 “Finally, and of greatest concern, Dr Evans makes no effort to provide a balanced opinion. He either knows what his professional colleagues have concluded and disregards it, or he has not taken steps to inform himself of their views. Either approach amounts to a breach of proper professional conduct. No attempt has been made to engage with the full-range of medical information or the powerful contradictory indicators. Instead the report has the hallmarks of an exercise ‘working out an explanation’ that exculpates the applicants. It ends with tendentious and partisan expressions of opinion that are outside Dr Evans’ professional competence and have no place in a reputable expert report.”
      In plain unvarnished terms, what LJ Jackson is saying, is that Evans is a whore who will come to whatever conclusion you are paying him to come to. There are damning criticisms of the level of care and expertise at Countess of Chester made by Dr. Shoo Lee's panel. There are a lot of vested interests, NHS management, Consultants etc., who are protected if it turns out that it was an "evil nurse" who killed the babies and not their mismanagement, malpractice and medical errors. There were ongoing legal actions against CoC hospital and already decided (Noah Robinson) see here, https://x.com/drphilhammond/status/1863518474695295185?lang=en and here https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20170519/281560880727368?srsltid=AfmBOoroQnCSWr_3S7OqcFEz2-hpCB5fHr5Um9L0HzjtxsrkpZsCP8k6

    ...Enter Dewi Evans- stage left

     This stinks of a cover up with Lucy Letby as the scapegoat. The CPS, NHS, Cheshire Police, the COA all want it to go away and have made great efforts to ensure that. The Thirlwall Enquiry and ongoing police investigations into LL are a part of that effort. It has all, however, been derailed by the efforts of David Davis, Dr. Phil Hammond, Shoo Lee and his panel, Mark Mcdonald KC and many others who have made sure that this travesty has been given wide publicity and a very public airing. It is clear that the tide has turned and the case must be overturned. It should be expedited and then we can have the required public discussion about the hiring and use of "expert witnesses".
     The massively expensive and pointless Thirlwall Inquiry needs disbanding, limited as it is, to discussing the issue of non existent killer nurses and solving this non existent problem at huge expense while not even being allowed to consider the actual problems of a hugely strained, underfunded and under-resourced NHS and the medical malpractice that is a consequence of overworked and under-resourced staff.
     Once it all unfurls I expect there to be huge changes. Much as the MOJ's of the 70's/80's led to huge changes in the form of PACE reforms, I similarly expect reforms in the way complex expert evidence is presented to juries. The public discussion has already started, it will only get louder, too much for the Justice system and parliament to ignore.

[Cambridgecutie]

Excellent post Gringo.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c805923e338o

[nugnug]

whats amazed  me about this case pace theres one realation then anyother one about 2 weeks later ive never heard of conviction to come undone so quickly

[David1819]

Having a hospital nurse who is a serial killer murdering patients on the ward is in itself an appalling NHS failure. It does not make any sense to produce this narrative in the first place.

Nobody needed a scapegoat. The events could have gone by without anyone questioning anything. There was nothing to indicate that responsibility was about to be placed anywhere else. There was no impending investigation that required the need to find a scapegoat.

[nugnug]

Having a hospital nurse who is a serial killer murdering patients on the ward is in itself an appalling NHS failure. It does not make any sense to produce this narrative in the first place.

Nobody needed a scapegoat. The events could have gone by without anyone questioning anything. There was nothing to indicate that responsibility was about to be placed anywhere else. There was no impending investigation that required the need to find a scapegoat.

it does if your an ncompetent doctor at the same hospital

[gringo]

"Nobody needed a scapegoat. The events could have gone by without anyone questioning anything. There was nothing to indicate that responsibility was about to be placed anywhere else." _ David

     There were already clinical negligence solicitors acting on behalf of the parents of several babies who died. From the linked article from 18 May 2017;

     

     "Justine Jones, a clinical negligence lawyer for Slater and Gordon in Chester, who is representing the parents of several babies who died, said: ‘The hospital has taken the highly unusual step of calling in the police to investigate these deaths, which will come as a shock to the families.

‘The death of a child is a terrible thing to have to deal with under any circumstances and now they are left wondering what happened to deem such involvement necessary.

‘The parents we have spoken to want answers and hopefully the police’s involvement will ensure they get them.’

     Article here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4518212/Baby-deaths-Countess-Chester-Hospital-probed.html

      This is hot on the heels of the Noah Robinson verdict blaming "a catalogue of failures" at Countess of Chester Hospital(COCH) for Noah's death. A Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health(RCPCH) report on COCH. See below;

"The inquiries follow a damning report this year from the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health (RCPCH), which found that staffing at the hospital’s baby unit was inadequate.

But the review could not find a reason for the rise in baby deaths from June 2015 to June 2016.

It identified significant gaps in medical and nursing rotas, insufficient senior doctor cover, poor decision making and a reluctance by some staff to seek advice from colleagues.

While just two babies died on the unit in 2013 and three in 2014, mortality rates jumped to eight deaths in 2015 and by June last year five babies had already died there.

Of the 15 baby deaths being examined by police, 13 occurred at the hospital, and two were at hospitals trusts where the newborns had been transferred for specialist treatment."
     
      "The RCPCH report found nurses had expressed concerns about the capabilities of one locum doctor and, despite seeking reassurances that he would not be re-employed, he was allowed to return."

      I think that anyone can see there is plenty to "indicate that responsibility(for the deaths) was about to be placed somewhere else", David. There were impending actions that required the need for a scapegoat. And that from a quick "surface scratch". The very doctors and Consultants and hospital management that "scapegoated" Lucy Letby and "called in the police and their mysteriously appearing "expert witness" were themselves the very people upon whom "responsibility for the deaths was about to be placed".
     

     

[gringo]

    Thanks, glad you enjoyed the read, CC.
    You are right, nugnug, the unravelling has been spectacular.

[JackieD]

Truly shocking Gringo, I have been following this case for a long time with a site called Science on Trial

Thank god for the scientists who got involved in this case

[gringo]

Truly shocking Gringo, I have been following this case for a long time with a site called Science on Trial

Thank god for the scientists who got involved in this case

    I have read your posts on the LL thread. You have been doing sterling work on there JackieD. It is, as you say, "truly shocking". As more comes to light, the worse it gets. As far as I am aware the appeal of Colin Norris, another "killer nurse" is to be heard at the COA in April this year, 4 years after the CCRC sent it for Appeal.
      I expect the calls for reform of how "expert medical evidence" is presented to courts to become louder. The "medical evidence" that convicted Lucy Letby has been exposed as the absurd theories of a man paid to come up with theories that implicate the nurse. Shoo Lee's panel of neonate experts, the pathologist who performed the original post mortem and Lord Justice Jackson all have his number. Dr. Dewi Evans reputation is in tatters. When the inevitable appeal/retrial happens, it will be impossible to ignore the corruption

[gringo]

        "I think that anyone can see there is plenty to "indicate that responsibility(for the deaths) was about to be placed somewhere else", David. There were impending actions that required the need for a scapegoat. And that from a quick "surface scratch". The very doctors and Consultants and hospital management that "scapegoated" Lucy Letby and "called in the police and their mysteriously appearing "expert witness" were themselves the very people upon whom "responsibility for the deaths was about to be placed".

     It seems reasonable that we should dig deeper into those " upon whom "responsibility for the deaths was about to be placed".
     Dr. Brearey and Dr. Jayaram would seem a good starting point. The article below gives an excellent timeline of events involving Brearey and Jayaram:

https://principia-scientific.com/the-lucy-letby-case-a-critical-thinking-approach/

     It is clear that Brearey and Jayaram were under pressure themselves. They had been found by a tribunal to have conducted a witch hunt against Lucy Letby. There was an investigation into the spike in deaths by RCPCH which concluded after a damning report that COCH was no longer suitable for "Level II" care. The report was issued in November 2016. The unit had already been down graded to Level I by that stage because of their lack of suitability to care for more vulnerable babies.
     In January 2017

     "In January 2017, the hospital held an extraordinary board meeting, at which the board, chaired by Sir Duncan Nichol, was updated on the RCPCH review. Nichol was head of the NHS at the time of the Beverley Allitt scandal (Allitt was the  nurse found guilty of injecting infants with insulin and air bubbles in 1993).  The Medical Director, Dr Ian Harvey, stated that the report had found the incidents were down to ”issues of leadership, escalation, timely intervention“ and that it ”does not highlight any single individual“. He said some case reviews were continuing but were not expected to change that finding."

     From an article in https://www.kentonline.co.uk/news/national/babies-could-have-been-saved-if-hospital-acted-sooner-consultants-say-96513/

     Dr. Jayaram is quoted in the above article,
      He added that police realised they had to be involved after listening to him for “less than 10 minutes” in 2017.

      Dr. Dewi Evans diagnosed murder "inside ten minutes". Dr. Jayaram was under intense pressure and convinces the police in ten minutes. Fortunately this is followed by Dewi Evans presenting himself and detecting murders in ten minutes.

      The first article linked is long but worth the effort. It has a number of links to Science on Trial, mentioned earlier by JackieD and gives a comprehensive detailing of the chronology of events involving Brearey, Jayaram et al. regarding the witch hunt against LL and the pressures they were under. The circumstances of why the police were eventually called in is avoided. All investigations and evidence pointed only to failures within the hospital and doctors/consultants. What happened to change these conclusions is not disclosed. We do know that Jayaram convinced police in "ten minutes."
      At his point no method of murder had been proposed nor found in post mortems and reviews and not by Jayaram or Brearey. How did they decide which deaths were suspicious? From June 2015 to March 2016 there were 15 deaths on the unit. LL was charged with 7. The criteria appears to have been that deaths were deemed suspicious if LL was there. I would assume from Dr. Jayaram's own statements that he was instrumental in deciding what constituted a "suspicious death". His 10 minute chat with the police, his previous witch hunt against LL suggest that this is a reasonable inference.
       Dr. Jayaram, as part of his witch hunt, had at some point come across the Dr. Shoo Lee paper on "Air embolism in babies". A paper heavily relied on also by the "self appointed" prosecution expert, Dr. Dewi Evans.
     Their absurd theories of murder are in tatters. Everyone knows it. The truth is that if a re-trial was ordered, it wouldn't go ahead because the prosecution have no case left. They wouldn't dare put their novel methods of murder, never before seen or diagnosed by anyone but Dewi Evans. Not now. It was systematically taken apart by Dr. Shoo Lee's panel who have given cause of death for each child. There were no novel and ridiculous murder methods, there weren't even any murders. Evans, Cheshire police, the CPS and Doctors Brearey, Jayaram et al have been exposed as charlatans. CCRC and COA cannot hide from this.
     It is only a matter of when, not if. This conviction will be overturned.
     

[gringo]

       Meanwhile, the absurd Thirlwall Inquiry trundles on at enormous cost and with no point. Lady Thirlwall at the start of the inquiry described those questioning the validity of the conviction as "noise". The part of her statement at the opening of the Inquiry below;

"In the months since the Court of Appeal handed down
its judgment, there has been a huge outpouring of
comment from a variety of quarters on the validity of
the convictions. So far as I'm aware, it has come
entirely from people who were not at the trial. Parts
of the evidence have been selected and criticised, as
has the conduct of the defence at trial, about which
those defence lawyers can say nothing.
All of this noise has caused enormous additional
distress to the parents who have already suffered far
too much. I make it absolutely clear that it's not for
me as Chair of this public inquiry to set about
reviewing the convictions. The Court of Appeal has done
that, with a very clear result."
 
     You have to admit the irony is delicious. It is now the Thirlwall Inquiry that is "just noise" while the real conversation regarding the safety of the conviction dominates all discussions. Thirlwall should be stopped now, it has a become the noise that it accused campaigners of being.

[JackieD]

Hi Gringo

Thank you for all that brilliant content. I just hope Lucy stays safe in prison while waiting for this case to be referred to the court of appeal

[nugnug]

all the post moretems said natraul couse cleary these doctors never voiced there suspicions with the patholgists or the corners

[gringo]

Hi Gringo

Thank you for all that brilliant content. I just hope Lucy stays safe in prison while waiting for this case to be referred to the court of appeal

    Hi Jackie. Hopefully the amount of pressure and what Lady Thirlwall calls "noise" will expedite this case to the COA. There seems to be far too much push-back on this conviction for the Judiciary to ignore and many expect a rapid referral. Hopefully before the end of this year. I don't think that it will be possible for the COA and their gatekeepers, the CCRC, to play their usual long game on this one.
      It could/should be one of the most rapid over-turnings of a murder conviction in UK legal history. Do you think that the case will be referred back? and what sort of time frame?

[gringo]

all the post moretems said natraul couse cleary these doctors never voiced there suspicions with the patholgists or the corners

    When the inevitable overturning of this conviction occurs and everything is aired, nugnug, those doctors have some difficult questions to answer.

     The first question being, what was their role in calling in the police in 2017? Every investigation into the baby deaths identified only inadequacies in the hospital unit and doctors/consultants. The doctors had been rebuked and were under increasing pressure because of the deaths. They had just been sued and lost for their mistakes in the death of Noah Robinson. There were no indicators from Hospital management that they considered the deaths anything other than at the feet of their own unit and doctors. In fact every indication was that the blame lay entirely, as per all investigations, at the feet of the doctors.
      The solicitors acting for a number of the parents of the babies who died, were also surprised at this step. So what suddenly happened or became known that provoked this action(calling the police)?
     It is never stated, conveniently ignored. We are just told that the police were called by Hospital management.
     The second question is to ask what were the criteria for designating a death or event as "suspicious"? None had previously been flagged as suspicious, so what was the criteria used? Who decided what was a suspicious event? Was it Jayaram, Brearey? What did Jayaram's 10 minute chat with the police discuss? Did he point them to what he considered to be "suspicious events"?

      The collusion and framing is staring everyone in the face.