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Offline Curiosity

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Two moderators?
« on: February 01, 2025, 08:44:PM »
Explosive new evidence or just another damp squib failing to ignite -

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mass-murderer-jeremy-bamber-hopes-34596299

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14351015/Serial-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-64-makes-bid-life-sentence-overturned-White-House-Farm-murderer-hopes-new-evidence-prove-innocence.html

I've always thought this contemporaneous (1985) Anglia Press Agency photo shows the Pargeter Anschutz fitted with his P/H moderator being held up by a plain-clothes officer(?) at WHF. The stock isn't damaged where his right hand is holding on to it, unlike the actual murder weapon.
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Re: Two moderators?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2025, 09:17:PM »
Interesting article. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Two moderators?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2025, 09:49:AM »
Explosive new evidence or just another damp squib failing to ignite -

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mass-murderer-jeremy-bamber-hopes-34596299

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14351015/Serial-killer-Jeremy-Bamber-64-makes-bid-life-sentence-overturned-White-House-Farm-murderer-hopes-new-evidence-prove-innocence.html

I've always thought this contemporaneous (1985) Anglia Press Agency photo shows the Pargeter Anschutz fitted with his P/H moderator being held up by a plain-clothes officer(?) at WHF. The stock isn't damaged where his right hand is holding on to it, unlike the actual murder weapon.

The photo in your post is not of a police officer in the case and does not show the murder weapon.  It is from an article in a French newspaper.
 

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2025, 09:53:AM »
The photo in your post is not of a police officer in the case and does not show the murder weapon.  It is from an article in a French newspaper.

I was going to post it was from a french magazine. Didn't someone post it up before with a translation?

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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2025, 10:36:AM »
Some of wording around blood is confusing in the article.

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Re: Two moderators?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2025, 10:54:AM »
The photo in your post is not of a police officer in the case and does not show the murder weapon.  It is from an article in a French newspaper.
It was originally in the English M/C Murder Casebook series no.7, as in the photo below I've just copied, then probably featured in a French translated version.  It's one of series originally taken by the APA at the time of the murders, like the one of an officer/detective retrieving evidence from Nevill's car outside Bourtree cottage.

The white-painted woodwork is reminiscent of that at WHF, maybe of a store room/walk-in cupboard?  Or the small Cup'd in the hallway adjacent to the Bottle Cupboard?

If he isn't a police officer, have you any idea who it might be?
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2025, 03:09:PM »
The photo in your post is not of a police officer in the case and does not show the murder weapon.  It is from an article in a French newspaper.

It's an Anschutz 525 but you can tell it's not the Bamber rifle because the iron sights are different.

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« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2025, 05:48:PM »
It's an Anschutz 525 but you can tell it's not the Bamber rifle because the iron sights are different.
The only difference regarding the sight is that the cylindrical front sight hood (1) (which shields the sight from distracting extraneous light) has been removed, so that it doesn't interfere with aiming when a telescopic sight is fitted. When required, it simply slides onto the front sight base (5) which is present in both the Whiddon and APA/MC photos  -
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Re: Two moderators?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2025, 08:00:PM »
Bambers on the front page of the Sunday People too!

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2025, 12:34:AM »
Why couldn't the prosecution have just dismissed the silencer found by the Police on the day, as having no forensic evidence linking it to the killings, then just go ahead using the silencer retrieved by David Boutflour on August 10 as its evidence?

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2025, 08:05:AM »
Why couldn't the prosecution have just dismissed the silencer found by the Police on the day, as having no forensic evidence linking it to the killings, then just go ahead using the silencer retrieved by David Boutflour on August 10 as its evidence?

In the TNY article doesn't Davidson express that Cook was under massive pressure to find evidence?
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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2025, 08:34:PM »
Why couldn't the prosecution have just dismissed the silencer found by the Police on the day, as having no forensic evidence linking it to the killings, then just go ahead using the silencer retrieved by David Boutflour on August 10 as its evidence?

Why do you say that the police found a sound moderator on the day?

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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2025, 10:06:PM »
Why do you say that the police found a sound moderator on the day?

The key to this is the allegation document from about 10 years ago. It shows that the chain of custody for a single sound moderator is not possible. The sound moderator was in two different places at the same time.

Also why would Stan Jones obtain an exhibit reference of SBJ1 for the silencer found by David Boutflour, if he knew he himself was not the person who found the exhibit? Surely he knew how exhibits protocol worked?
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2025, 10:31:PM »
Why do you say that the police found a sound moderator on the day?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mass-murderer-jeremy-bamber-hopes-34596299
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Bamber’s lawyers say they now have photographic proof that a second silencer, which they claim was seized by police on the day of the killings, was also examined by investigators and never disclosed to the defence, which they claim would undermine the safety of the conviction.

Is it common practice for a firearm to have 2 moderators?
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Re: Two moderators?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2025, 08:24:AM »
Is 2025 Bambers year?
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