mystery moving rug in bedroom.

[smiffy]

Take a look at the various bedroom photos (including ones with bits of Sheila and June on) and try viewing a rug that is situated on the floor at the end of the bed.
Work out its position in various photographs .
I have also used a piccy taken from an online image that is not on here as well.

It seems this rug has been moved around and is in different places depending on what the photos are showing...as if it has been moved to hide something.
Now why would they do that?

[andrea]

look at the rug in the kitchen smiffy, its a light coloured rug with not a drop of blood on it.

[smiffy]

look at the rug in the kitchen smiffy, its a light coloured rug with not a drop of blood on it.

It does appear to be the very same rug in the scene photos ...with Nevill in and in the cleaned up tidied up kitchen afterwards..
so no blood stains it seems on it....rather unusual in the circumstances.
it suggests any upending etc and moving of the table is more likely to be down to police actions rather when spots of blood on the floor were dry than as a result of being disturbed during the conflict between Ralph and his attacker (Sheila in my view).

[smiffy]

On one of the plans of the building that were produced by the police to show where bullet cases etc were found it also gives the locations of where 2 carpet samples were removed from in the bedroom.

Suprise suprise folks....one of these carpet samples was taken from an area under where the rug is pictured in the photographs...NOW WHY IS THAT?

The other carpet sample location in the bedroom is the one that appears in one of the photographs where a rectangle of carpet has been cut out.
As mentioned in another thread....That sample must have great significance to have been cut out even before the photographer had finished his work....
This is rather suspicious.

[Alias]

Take a look at the various bedroom photos (including ones with bits of Sheila and June on) and try viewing a rug that is situated on the floor at the end of the bed.
Work out its position in various photographs .
I have also used a piccy taken from an online image that is not on here as well.It seems this rug has been moved around and is in different places depending on what the photos are showing...as if it has been moved to hide something.
Now why would they do that?

Can you give me a link to that picture?

[tyler]

EP cut out and disposed of pieces of carpet whilst crime scene photos were being taken?Before SOCO entered the house? Surely not!

[Hartley]

EP cut out and disposed of pieces of carpet whilst crime scene photos were being taken?Before SOCO entered the house? Surely not!

No that's not true.

[smiffy]

The 2 carpet samples are identified in the bedroom plan as being ND 10 and ND 11.
ND 10 is the one that in pictures would have been covered by the rug.
ND 11 is the one that can be seen in one of the pictures.
ND would sensibly be attached to items gathered by Neil Davidson (SOC) officer.

The locations of the 2 carpet samples does not seem to be good for a general respresention of stained bits of carpets... we should expect samples from more differing areas if this was the case..so doubt is brought into why the spots selected as they were....eg  1 from near Sheila's body, 1 from near June's body and 1 from the area generally mid way between the 2 bodies.

[Hartley]

The 2 carpet samples are identified in the bedroom plan as being ND 10 and ND 11.
ND 10 is the one that in pictures would have been covered by the rug.
ND 11 is the one that can be seen in one of the pictures.
ND would sensibly be attached to items gathered by Neil Davidson (SOC) officer.

The locations of the 2 carpet samples does not seem to be good for a general respresention of stained bits of carpets... we should expect samples from more differing areas if this was the case..so doubt is brought into why the spots selected as they were....eg  1 from near Sheila's body, 1 from near June's body and 1 from the area generally mid way between the 2 bodies.

We only have access to Davidsons recorded interview with COLP in 1991. I'd like to see his statements from 1985/86.

[grahameb]

The 2 carpet samples are identified in the bedroom plan as being ND 10 and ND 11.
ND 10 is the one that in pictures would have been covered by the rug.
ND 11 is the one that can be seen in one of the pictures.
ND would sensibly be attached to items gathered by Neil Davidson (SOC) officer.

The locations of the 2 carpet samples does not seem to be good for a general respresention of stained bits of carpets... we should expect samples from more differing areas if this was the case..so doubt is brought into why the spots selected as they were....eg  1 from near Sheila's body, 1 from near June's body and 1 from the area generally mid way between the 2 bodies.

We only have access to Davidsons recorded interview with COLP in 1991. I'd like to see his statements from 1985/86.

Yes that would be good.

[smiffy]

looking at Neil Davidsons COLP interview statement reference is made to entries made in paperwork and pocket books to the carpet samples taken by him on the 8th august.
That is the day and not the 7th when the crime scene photographs were taken.
But that cut out bit of carpet can be seen in the photograph...so what on earth is going on here..

[Hartley]

looking at Neil Davidsons COLP interview statement reference is made to entries made in paperwork and pocke books to the carpet samples taken by him on the 8th august.
That is the day and not the 7th when the crime scene photographs were taken.
But that cut out bit of carpet can be seen in the photograph...so what on earth is going on here..

Which photo are you referring to Smiffy?

[smiffy]

This one...rectangular bit of carpet cut out ...which corresponds with ND 11 on the bedroom plan.

[bob]

Suprise suprise folks....one of these carpet samples was taken from an area under where the rug is pictured in the photographs...NOW WHY IS THAT?

If you needed a control sample of carpet that was unlikely to have been contaminated during the incident then it would make perfect sense to take it from underneath a rug, where it has been protected.

[Hartley]

This one...rectangular bit of carpet cut out ...which corresponds with ND 11 on the bedroom plan.

Sorry, I'm blind, or being thick, or perhaps both. 

Where in that photo is the cut out piece of carpet? Or is it under the rug, is that what you mean?