Assisted Dying/Suicide

[Steve_uk]

I'm becoming more uneasy about the bill as the implications become clearer. https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-02/up-to-4500-people-to-have-assisted-death-each-year-if-bill-passes

[Cambridgecutie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqj1egxvyo

Excellent result. 

[Steve_uk]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqj1egxvyo

Excellent result.

Isn't there a tragic irony that old people are being killed off in the week babies which could survive outside the womb have also lost their protection? https://www.npr.org/2025/06/18/g-s1-73294/uk-parliament-bans-women-prosecuted-late-term-abortion

[Cambridgecutie]

Isn't there a tragic irony that old people are being killed off in the week babies which could survive outside the womb have also lost their protection? https://www.npr.org/2025/06/18/g-s1-73294/uk-parliament-bans-women-prosecuted-late-term-abortion

Here today, gone tomorrow.  All part of the life cycle. 

[Steve_uk]

Here today, gone tomorrow.  All part of the life cycle.

Not if the baby could survive outside the womb, and not if pressure is put on elderly people to end their own lives.

[Hardy Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgeqj1egxvyo

Excellent result.

The sixth Commandment “thou shall not kill”.  Life is sacred, that God alone gives life and that No individual has the right to arbitrarily take it from another person.

To be honest, it could be something the patients relatives regrets and feels guilt for the rest of their life’s.

[ngb1066]

Not if the baby could survive outside the womb, and not if pressure is put on elderly people to end their own lives.

 I have to admit that this is the first time I have to say that I agree with you. I am very uncomfortable about both of these issues.

[Cambridgecutie]

Not if the baby could survive outside the womb, and not if pressure is put on elderly people to end their own lives.

The fetus could survive outside the womb based on the current legislation. 

Assisted dying is only permitted when < 6 months to live.  If you were suffering mentally and physically,  robbed of all dignity eg double incontinence, dribble running down your chin, unable to move and seeing your loved ones look on helplessly are you saying you would not want to press the fast forward button?

[Cambridgecutie]

The sixth Commandment “thou shall not kill”.  Life is sacred, that God alone gives life and that No individual has the right to arbitrarily take it from another person.

To be honest, it could be something the patients relatives regrets and feels guilt for the rest of their life’s.

I don't do God! 

Why the emphasis on the relatives?  It will be the person suffering some awful fate through accident, illness or injury who will want to call time if they have < 6 months to live.

[Cambridgecutie]

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 I have to admit that this is the first time I have to say that I agree with you. I am very uncomfortable about both of these issues.

Thought you would be pro choice? 

Antoniazzi urged MPs to support her amendment to recognise "these women need care and support, and not criminalisation".

"Each one of these cases is a travesty, enabled by our outdated abortion law," she said.

"Originally passed by an all-male parliament elected by men alone, this Victorian law is increasingly used against vulnerable women and girls."

The Antoniazzi amendment won the support from 379 MPs, with 137 against.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2le12114j9o

[Hardy Boy]

I don't do God! 

Why the emphasis on the relatives?  It will be the person suffering some awful fate through accident, illness or injury who will want to call time if they have < 6 months to live.

Ive been in that position,  Yes it was the right decision and what my father wanted, but I carry that burden because,  out of all my brothers and sister and mother, no one else would make the phone call for the driver to go in.  So yes, it’s something I carry with me and it was part of my Counselling.  He was my work mate, my best friend and my father and I think about him everyday even 11 years after.

After the driver went in, I never got the chance to speak to him again.

[ngb1066]

Thought you would be pro choice? 

Antoniazzi urged MPs to support her amendment to recognise "these women need care and support, and not criminalisation".

"Each one of these cases is a travesty, enabled by our outdated abortion law," she said.

"Originally passed by an all-male parliament elected by men alone, this Victorian law is increasingly used against vulnerable women and girls."

The Antoniazzi amendment won the support from 379 MPs, with 137 against.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2le12114j9o

I am generally pro choice and I agree with not prosecuting vulnerable women who make difficult choices.  I also have enormous sympathy with those who want to take advantage of the opportunity for assisted dying and I do not think partners should be criminalised for assisting with this.  However I believe there are very grave dangers and there is a great risk of vulnerable people being exploited.

 

[Roch]

I don't trust Jo Cox's sister.

[Jane]

I am generally pro choice and I agree with not prosecuting vulnerable women who make difficult choices.  I also have enormous sympathy with those who want to take advantage of the opportunity for assisted dying and I do not think partners should be criminalised for assisting with this.  However I believe there are very grave dangers and there is a great risk of vulnerable people being exploited.

 

I'm wondering how exploitation happens? The criteria appears to be that the patient is believed to be dying within six months and in charge of their mental faculties. Furthermore, two doctors have to agree. I don't agree with allowing people to suffer -we don't do that to animals- and I would rather make a hasty exit than suffer intolerable pain, My late partner, whilst not in pain, was dying. He had a DNR in place. The nurse asked my permission to administer something to 'help' him. As his brilliant mind was still fully alert I told her to have the conversation with him. The decision wasn't mine to make. He grasped the opportunity with both hands.

[Steve_uk]

Thought you would be pro choice? 

Antoniazzi urged MPs to support her amendment to recognise "these women need care and support, and not criminalisation".

"Each one of these cases is a travesty, enabled by our outdated abortion law," she said.

"Originally passed by an all-male parliament elected by men alone, this Victorian law is increasingly used against vulnerable women and girls."

The Antoniazzi amendment won the support from 379 MPs, with 137 against.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2le12114j9o

It wasn't an all-male parliament in 1967. I can think of three female MPs off the top of my head: Margaret Thatcher, Gwyneth Dunwoody, Joan Lestor.

The Assisted Dying Bill is the thin end of the wedge. It may start with safeguards in place, but I can think of situations where the elderly may be exploited: immigrants who don't speak English signed off to die by two quack doctors of Pakistani heritage, individuals with the onset of dementia who feel they're a nuisance and under pressure to end their own lives.

One case stuck in my head all these years: https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/oct/17/law-switzerland

Police are right to probe such deaths. Judges will make the right decision.

As for women ending the life of a baby which is a viable entity outside the womb, the whole thing sickens me. It's women's lib gone mad.