Why I Beleive DS Jones Fabricated The Outside Of The Silencer

[Cambridgecutie]

7th Aug @ Bourtree.  Police officers present:  DS Jones and DC Clark.

JB was giving his statement, taken by DC Clark, in the presence of AE.  AE was questioning, to herself, everything said by JB.  When the opportunity presented she would tell the officers as much.

She did not  think SC would be able to use a firearm.

She phoned AP. 

The subject of sights and silencer were raised.

When she arrived home that evening she had a long discussion with her father and they were not satisfied with what JB was telling the police.

8th Aug @ Oak Farm

Circa 11am AP arrived.  AP immediately asked AE questions about the guns, particularly the guns, sights/silencer.  AP saying they were affixed last time he was @ WHF (last w.e Jul).  AP also said would fit into gun cupboard.  AP so perturbed he phoned Witham and spoke with DCI Jones.

AP and AE then went to Bourtree

At the end of the day, back at Oak Farm, AE, AP, DB and PE discussed their suspicions and decided they would go to Witham in the morning to advise the police accordingly.

9th Aug @ Witham Police Station

Relatives visit Witham and meet with DCI Jones and DS Jones.  Much of the discussion centres around their disbelief that SC was capable of using the rifle and loading the magazine.  Once again the subject of the sights and silencer surface on the basis JB apparently told the police on the morning of 7th Aug that the rifle would not fit in the cupboard with the silencer/sights on (he actually said case and this was demonstrated to be correct at trial).  AP again pointing out he observed rifle at WHF in cupboard with sights/silencer on.

9th Aug @ Bourtree (Although statement is dated 8th Aug and taken by DC Clark)

DCI Jones and DS Jones arrange for JB to make a further stat about the silencer/sights, whether SC observed him loading mag etc.  DCI Jones was satisfied the case was murder/suicide but DS Jones disagreed.

Later that day DCI Jones and DS Jones meet the Eatons at WHF to hand the keys over.  They all have a tour of the inside and the detectives ask the Eatons to point out anything that looks out of place.  Having handed the keys over and advised about the newly installed alarm they all leave. 

DS Jones went off offical duty at 11.15pm

I believe at some stage he re-entered and contaminated the OUTSIDE of the silencer with the blood, paint and hair on the basis he was adamant JB was responsible. 

- He did not believe SC was responsible on the basis of how clean she appeared and her nails in tact
- He took on all the feedback from the relatives
- He was very aware of the silencer from the very earliest of stages
- He knew the firearms etc were kept in the cupboard under the stairs
- He had access to the soc images to check what area could be scratched
- He knew very small bloodstains were incapable of being grouped and could only conclude blood and human in origin which would implicate Bamber
- Had access to NB's hair
- Was an experienced officer, circa 25 years, and would be aware that he needed something to connect Bamber to soc. 
- The relatives found NB's wallet empty which he may well have helped himself to when fabricating the OUTSIDE of the silencer. 

[Cambridgecutie]

I have always thought JB's second statement was taken on 8th Aug based on the date at the top of the statement?

[Adam]

7th Aug @ Bourtree.  Police officers present:  DS Jones and DC Clark.

JB was giving his statement, taken by DC Clark, in the presence of AE.  AE was questioning, to herself, everything said by JB.  When the opportunity presented she would tell the officers as much.

She did not  think SC would be able to use a firearm.

She phoned AP. 

The subject of sights and silencer were raised.

When she arrived home that evening she had a long discussion with her father and they were not satisfied with what JB was telling the police.

8th Aug @ Oak Farm

Circa 11am AP arrived.  AP immediately asked AE questions about the guns, particularly the guns, sights/silencer.  AP saying they were affixed last time he was @ WHF (last w.e Jul).  AP also said would fit into gun cupboard.  AP so perturbed he phoned Witham and spoke with DCI Jones.

AP and AE then went to Bourtree

At the end of the day, back at Oak Farm, AE, AP, DB and PE discussed their suspicions and decided they would go to Witham in the morning to advise the police accordingly.

9th Aug @ Witham Police Station

Relatives visit Witham and meet with DCI Jones and DS Jones.  Much of the discussion centres around their disbelief that SC was capable of using the rifle and loading the magazine.  Once again the subject of the sights and silencer surface on the basis JB apparently told the police on the morning of 7th Aug that the rifle would not fit in the cupboard with the silencer/sights on (he actually said case and this was demonstrated to be correct at trial).  AP again pointing out he observed rifle at WHF in cupboard with sights/silencer on.

9th Aug @ Bourtree (Although statement is dated 8th Aug and taken by DC Clark)

DCI Jones and DS Jones arrange for JB to make a further stat about the silencer/sights, whether SC observed him loading mag etc.  DCI Jones was satisfied the case was murder/suicide but DS Jones disagreed.

Later that day DCI Jones and DS Jones meet the Eatons at WHF to hand the keys over.  They all have a tour of the inside and the detectives ask the Eatons to point out anything that looks out of place.  Having handed the keys over and advised about the newly installed alarm they all leave. 

DS Jones went off offical duty at 11.15pm

I believe at some stage he re-entered and contaminated the OUTSIDE of the silencer with the blood, paint and hair on the basis he was adamant JB was responsible. 

- He did not believe SC was responsible on the basis of how clean she appeared and her nails in tact
- He took on all the feedback from the relatives
- He was very aware of the silencer from the very earliest of stages
- He knew the firearms etc were kept in the cupboard under the stairs
- He had access to the soc images to check what area could be scratched
- He knew very small bloodstains were incapable of being grouped and could only conclude blood and human in origin which would implicate Bamber
- Had access to NB's hair
- Was an experienced officer, circa 25 years, and would be aware that he needed something to connect Bamber to soc. 
- The relatives found NB's wallet empty which he may well have helped himself to when fabricating the OUTSIDE of the silencer.

So the relatives are innocent.

It is all down to SJ.

[Adam]

Always thought SJ was a sleepy officer in a sleepy area.

He didn't exactly rush to collect the silencer from the relatives.

But seems he was very treacherous, brave, innovative, quick & pro active.

[Cambridgecutie]

So the relatives are innocent.

It is all down to SJ.

Well the dripping of poison isn't illegal. 

Its still unclear to me when the realtives first observed the blood, paint, hair and scratches and where.  It is possible they did not even notice the contaminants and when DS Jones collected from PE he pointed them out to PE and the others back-tracked.  In other words their testimony was untruthful in that sense.

[Adam]

Seems SJ became convinced of Bamber's guilt within 24 hours.

As an experienced officer, thought he would let all evidence get processed, which takes time. But he went in all guns blazing.

[Adam]

Well the dripping of poison isn't illegal. 

Its still unclear to me when the realtives first observed the blood, paint, hair and scratches and where.  It is possible they did not even notice the contaminants and when DS Jones collected from PE he pointed them out to PE and the others back-tracked.  In other words their testimony was untruthful in that sense.

Dripping of poison. You mean saying they had doubts it was Sheila.

Nothing wrong with that.

[Adam]

Well the dripping of poison isn't illegal. 

Its still unclear to me when the realtives first observed the blood, paint, hair and scratches and where.  It is possible they did not even notice the contaminants and when DS Jones collected from PE he pointed them out to PE and the others back-tracked.  In other words their testimony was untruthful in that sense.

They noticed the blood and paint when they looked at the silencer.

You have said SJ sneeked back into WHF to fabricate it.

[Cambridgecutie]

Always thought SJ was a sleepy officer in a sleepy area.

The Chief Constable regrets to inform you of the death of ex Ds Stanley Jones aged 74 years of Maldon, Essex on the 20th January 2014. He leaves a widow Helene.

Mr Jones served from 1961 to 1991 at South Ockendon, CID Grays, Tilbury, Brentwood, Scotland Yard, Maldon, Chelmsford & Witham.

The funeral service will take place on Friday 7th February 2014 at All Saints Church, Maldon, Essex at 13.00 hrs. (private cremation before service)

Family flowers only donations to ‘Farleigh Hospice’ c/o Co-Operative Funeral Care, 13-15 Market Hill, Maldon, Essex, CM9 4PZ.

He didn't exactly rush to collect the silencer from the relatives.

But seems he was very treacherous, brave, innovative, quick & pro active.

He went off duty on 11.15pm Fri eve returning to duty on Monday. 

He was probably use to fitting up suspects given most of his career was sent in a pre-PACE environment. 

[Hardy Boy]

The Chief Constable regrets to inform you of the death of ex Ds Stanley Jones aged 74 years of Maldon, Essex on the 20th January 2014. He leaves a widow Helene.

Mr Jones served from 1961 to 1991 at South Ockendon, CID Grays, Tilbury, Brentwood, Scotland Yard, Maldon, Chelmsford & Witham.

The funeral service will take place on Friday 7th February 2014 at All Saints Church, Maldon, Essex at 13.00 hrs. (private cremation before service)

Family flowers only donations to ‘Farleigh Hospice’ c/o Co-Operative Funeral Care, 13-15 Market Hill, Maldon, Essex, CM9 4PZ.

He went off duty on 11.15pm Fri eve returning to duty on Monday. 

He was probably use to fitting up suspects given most of his career was sent in a pre-PACE environment.

Jones the Midnight Prowler, so after handing the keys to Anne on Friday evening, he waits for everyone to go and returns, he climbs through the window [or he had a second Key cut for this reason] and he went in and located the silencer, he scratched the AGA and [i don't know if youv'e moved on the blood yet] he pricked his finger and fabricated the silencer with his own blood, offering this as evidence,  and then leaves it for the relatives to find? 

So, why are you attacking Anne, she did nothing wrong then,  and only reported the silencer, there was blood on it and there was paint, the relatives are clear, they bound to be suspicious finding a silencer with blood on it?  Jones has set the relatives up and he has set Bamber up?  Jones is to Blame for everything.

[Cambridgecutie]

They noticed the blood and paint when they looked at the silencer.

You have said SJ sneeked back into WHF to fabricate it.

The relatives saying this, that and the other does not make it fact!

Their statements are ambigious and contradictory about who saw what, when and where.  Its possible that it was transferred to Oak Farm and they did not pay much attention to it.  Simply putting it away wherever it was kept until DS Jones collected it.  But according to DI Cook, DS Jones told him the relatives had called and found a silencer with blood on it before DS Jones went to collect.  On this basis I guess they must have observed beforehand. 

[Adam]

Jones the Midnight Prowler, so after handing the keys to Anne on Friday evening, he waits for everyone to go and returns, he climbs through the window [or he had a second Key cut for this reason] and he went in and located the silencer, he scratched the AGA and [i don't know if youv'e moved on the blood yet] he pricked his finger and fabricated the silencer with his own blood, offering this as evidence,  and then leaves it for the relatives to find? 

So, why are you attacking Anne, she did nothing wrong then,  and only reported the silencer, there was blood on it and there was paint, the relatives are clear, they bound to be suspicious finding a silencer with blood on it?  Jones has set the relatives up and he has set Bamber up?  Jones is to Blame for everything.

CC has realised her narrative exonerates the relatives.

She is trying to rope them in. In reply 4.

[Cambridgecutie]

Jones the Midnight Prowler, so after handing the keys to Anne on Friday evening, he waits for everyone to go and returns, he climbs through the window [or he had a second Key cut for this reason] and he went in and located the silencer, he scratched the AGA and [i don't know if youv'e moved on the blood yet] he pricked his finger and fabricated the silencer with his own blood, offering this as evidence,  and then leaves it for the relatives to find? 

So, why are you attacking Anne, she did nothing wrong then,  and only reported the silencer, there was blood on it and there was paint, the relatives are clear, they bound to be suspicious finding a silencer with blood on it?  Jones has set the relatives up and he has set Bamber up?  Jones is to Blame for everything.

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[Cambridgecutie]

CC has realised her narrative exonerates the relatives.

She is trying to rope them in. In reply 4.

I certainly do not believe they fabricated the OUTSIDE of the silencer.  Neither do I think they emptied NB's wallet.

[Adam]

I certainly do not believe they fabricated the OUTSIDE of the silencer.  Neither do I think they emptied NB's wallet.

Do you think SJ took Nevill's wallet and asked AE to say she took it?

How did SJ know where it was?