Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Hardy Boy]

I think it was Jeremy Bamber himself who allowed the relatives to be carte blanche in the house. He gave permission

You could be right ILB, but the fact TAFF had concluded after his meeting with Bamber on the 9th, his investigation had finished as far as he was concerned,  and there was no doubt it was Murder suicide,
 Bamber would naturally think he was in the clear, what had he to worry about, TAFF was opening the doors to outside traffic at this stage, all police examinations were completed as far as TAFF was concerened, he hadn't wanted a full house search, he hadn't wanted a full fingerprint search, maybe Bamber didn't know this when he gave permission?    Even Bamber commented about them not doing a fingerprint search, when he himself went in the Farmhouse later.

[Hardy Boy]

You could be right ILB, but the fact TAFF had concluded after his meeting with Bamber on the 9th, his investigation had finished as far as he was concerned,  and there was no doubt it was Murder suicide,
 Bamber would naturally think he was in the clear, what had he to worry about, TAFF was opening the doors to outside traffic at this stage, all police examinations were completed as far as TAFF was concerened, he hadn't wanted a full house search, he hadn't wanted a full fingerprint search, maybe Bamber didn't know this when he gave permission?    Even Bamber commented about them not doing a fingerprint search, when he himself went in the Farmhouse later.

Taff's parting words to cooke on the Morning of the Murders, "i will arrange for the Post Mortem for later that day"  Not, i will arrange for a post Mortem when you have finished your Soco crime scene investigation, 

So again TAFF is calling the shots to Cook, it's a suicide and not a Murder so it needs a low level inquiry,   Cook states he got a radio call, before he had finished his examinations, "why the Bodies had not arrived at the Mortuary.  He recalls someone was upset HOW long they were taking. 

We all know who this someone was,  because there was one man who wanted the process moving quickly, because he had made the wrong call, and it was an internal Radio call so it came from within the Police


That's why Soco rushed with the investigation and sent the bodies to the Morgue at 1.00PM, Cook and Bird followed and Hammersley also attended, cook did not return that day and only returned to the crime scene for Soco work on the 9th and TAFF handed the keys to Anne that same day.

Rivlin to Hammersley, "you examined the house with care" Hammersley "i examined the scene as i was told to do so"

Inspector Cook, "It is considered his examination at the crime scene at whf within the  PARIMETERS SET BY DCI JONES, whilst LIMITED was thorough"   

I agree he was limited by DCI JONES, i don't agree it was thorough.

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[Hardy Boy]

I think it was Jeremy Bamber himself who allowed the relatives to be carte blanche in the house. He gave permission

What i can make out ILB, jeremy was going away for the Weekend and he wanted Ann to have the Keys to arrange Security for the House over the weekend.  TAFF had cocluded Examinations of the house had finished after he met Bamber on the 9th

[ILB]

What i can make out ILB, jeremy was going away for the Weekend and he wanted Ann to have the Keys to arrange Security for the House over the weekend.  TAFF had cocluded Examinations of the house had finished after he met Bamber on the 9th

Till this day I have never understood what Jeremy was really like in that period between massacre and arrest.

The third party info we take as sources is straight down the middle.

From jolly ups and carefree to doctors prescribing valium breaking down.

Perhaps in that month period his own mental health broke down. I guess we will never know and could only judge from being in his company at the time.

[Hardy Boy]

Till this day I have never understood what Jeremy was really like in that period between massacre and arrest.

From jolly ups and carefree to doctors prescribing valium breaking down.

Perhaps in that month period his own mental health broke down. I guess we will never know and could only judge from being in his company at the time.

I agree ILB, either Guilty or Innocent, he must have been going through Hell? 

[ILB]

I agree ILB, either Guilty or Innocent, he must have been going through Hell?

I think from the gulity perspective once the heat was on it came as a shock as I can only surmise he went into the crime believing he would never come a cropper.

To then throw your life away and then spend 40 years in prison almost with a smile on your face and relative positive attitude throughout the whole affair is a whole new level of mentality.

[Zoso]

I think from the gulity perspective once the heat was on it came as a shock as I can only surmise he went into the crime believing he would never come a cropper.

To then throw your life away and then spend 40 years in prison almost with a smile on your face and relative positive attitude throughout the whole affair is a whole new level of mentality.

That's only what you see on the outside.

[Cambridgecutie]

I agree with your general point, but I actually think the fact that the sound moderator was found by the family makes it even less likely to be fabricated than had it been found by the police. Surely if the police fabricated it for no reason in early August, they wouldn't have planted it in the house and then left it for the relatives to embarrass them with a find, or even not find it or report it. The police would have simply announced that they found it.

Of course, the argument then becomes "the family fabricated it", but they didn't have access to Sheila's blood, at least not in substantial quantities and although Robert Boutflour was also a match, they had no knowledge of this fact.

Of course 'the police' did not fabricate the 'silencer evidence'.  It was fabricated by one rogue officer by way of the blood on the outside, paint, hair and scratches. 

A month later, to get the case to trial, the lab produced a set of test results for blood supposedly found inside the silencer which matched SC's groups. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Taff's parting words to cooke on the Morning of the Murders, "i will arrange for the Post Mortem for later that day"  Not, i will arrange for a post Mortem when you have finished your Soco crime scene investigation, 

So again TAFF is calling the shots to Cook, it's a suicide and not a Murder so it needs a low level inquiry,   Cook states he got a radio call, before he had finished his examinations, "why the Bodies had not arrived at the Mortuary.  He recalls someone was upset HOW long they were taking. 

We all know who this someone was,  because there was one man who wanted the process moving quickly, because he had made the wrong call, and it was an internal Radio call so it came from within the Police


That's why Soco rushed with the investigation and sent the bodies to the Morgue at 1.00PM, Cook and Bird followed and Hammersley also attended, cook did not return that day and only returned to the crime scene for Soco work on the 9th and TAFF handed the keys to Anne that same day.

Rivlin to Hammersley, "you examined the house with care" Hammersley "i examined the scene as i was told to do so"

Inspector Cook, "It is considered his examination at the crime scene at whf within the  PARIMETERS SET BY DCI JONES, whilst LIMITED was thorough"   

I agree he was limited by DCI JONES, i don't agree it was thorough.

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DCI Jones arrived circa 8.15am.  Some 35 mins after Chief Sup Harris arrived. 

Chief Sup Harris viewed the victims alongside police surgeon Dr Craig.  CS Harris was satisfied the case was murder suicide.  He spoke with DCI Jones regarding interviewing JB and examining the house. 

The police, like the military, is based on hierarchical structures/chains of command.

DCI Jones had no basis to challenge Chief Sup Harris. 

Rank:                                         

Chief Constable
Deputy Chief Constable
Assistance Chief Constable
Chief Superintendent                    Harris
Superintendent
Chief Inspector                             Jones
Inspector
Sergeant
Constable

There would also be budget and commercial considerations.  If all concerned thought the soc was murder/suicide why would they waste resources by calling out the pathologist, ballistics and biologist?  But all is not lost as it is still possible now to reconstruct the soc with input from a pathologist, ballistics and a biologist which would reinforce the murder/suicide theory.

[ILB]

DCI Jones arrived circa 8.15am.  Some 35 mins after Chief Sup Harris arrived. 

Chief Sup Harris viewed the victims alongside police surgeon Dr Craig.  CS Harris was satisfied the case was murder suicide.  He spoke with DCI Jones regarding interviewing JB and examining the house. 

The police, like the military, is based on hierarchical structures/chains of command.

DCI Jones had no basis to challenge Chief Sup Harris. 

Rank:                                         

Chief Constable
Deputy Chief Constable
Assistance Chief Constable
Chief Superintendent                    Harris
Superintendent
Chief Inspector                             Jones
Inspector
Sergeant
Constable

There would also be budget and commercial considerations.  If all concerned thought the soc was murder/suicide why would they waste resources by calling out the pathologist, ballistics and biologist?  But all is not lost as it is still possible now to reconstruct the soc with input from a pathologist, ballistics and a biologist which would reinforce the murder/suicide theory.

I am quite surprised why the Chief Superintendent attended.

[Cambridgecutie]

I am quite surprised why the Chief Superintendent attended.

Why?

[ILB]

Why?

Because he could get information relayed by his subordinates.

Unless he wanted to make a pilgrimage personally.

Personal choice I guess.

[Cambridgecutie]

Because he could get information relayed by his subordinates.

Unless he wanted to make a pilgrimage personally.

Personal choice I guess.

He was called early at home due to the authorisation required for the release of firearms.

[ILB]

He was called early at home due to the authorisation required for the release of firearms.

Surprised it didn't go to his AM.

Adam believes nobody can wake up in the middle of the night to answer a call on this planet.