Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Hardy Boy]

Do you have evidence to support these contentions or are they your and an other's  opinions? It is a shame that he died before the trial. Others can say what they like without contradiction. It seems to me that they used his so called lack and care of attention to absolve themselves from the 180 degree turn they had to make.

Like i said, Harris might have said certain things, we might never know, he might have said it's murder suicide, and to a degree he probably did, he could well have said don't bring Pathologist in, but the buck stops with Taff when he is put in charge of the crime scene, you have to listen to those below you, they are your eyes and ears.

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[Hardy Boy]

Was SJ in the room when the relatives were with Taff?

Doubt the relatives divulged there feelings to SJ within 48 hours of the massacre. Would be keeping there cards close to there chest.

Yes he was Adam, 9th of Aug, 9.45 am witham Police station.  9.00pm that same evening Taff met Anne at WHF and handed over the Keys to her, this is the Day Cutie thinks SJ slipped back and climbed through the window and Fabricated the Silencer?

[Bubo bubo]

Like i said, Harris might have said certain things, we might never know, he might have said it's murder suicide, and to a degree he probably did, he could well have said don't bring Pathologist in, but the buck stops with Taff when he is put in charge of the crime scene, you have to listen to those below you, they are your eyes and ears.

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Most of your evidence is based on the Dickenson report. White wash manufacturers worked overtime to replenish stocks following this report. It is as I stated they used Taff  as a scapegoat with no fear of a defensive response. PC Carr a friend of the family told his father a mate of RB, that they were working quickly to close the case down. That was what Taff was told to do because of the accident that happened when the TFG made entry.

[Jane]

Most of your evidence is based on the Dickenson report. White wash manufacturers worked overtime to replenish stocks following this report. It is as I stated they used Taff  as a scapegoat with no fear of a defensive response. PC Carr a friend of the family told his father a mate of RB, that they were working quickly to close the case down. That was what Taff was told to do because of the accident that happened when the TFG made entry.

Didn't Taff make the decision to do exactly that having accepted JB's version -by whatever means it was passed down to him- and subsequently leaving the scene after spending only a very short time there?

[Hardy Boy]

Most of your evidence is based on the Dickenson report. White wash manufacturers worked overtime to replenish stocks following this report. It is as I stated they used Taff  as a scapegoat with no fear of a defensive response. PC Carr a friend of the family told his father a mate of RB, that they were working quickly to close the case down. That was what Taff was told to do because of the accident that happened when the TFG made entry.

Your Not Cutie by any Chance are you?  Same as i say, i have my views you have yours, if you think that Taff helped JB then go for it, i don't think he did,  and he didn't do his Job right in the investigation, and the evidence shows this and the press conference and judges summing up of senior management show's this and various investigation afterwards show this,  and the recommanations on future murder investigations put into place after shows this,  It's no skin off my nose either way, iv'e looked at the evidence and i have had  friends in Essex Police and still do, i know all about structures in management and roles and the expectancies this role deserves, and such a horrendous crime deserved better in my view, instead of calling it murder suicide after a 25 minutes walkabout.

[Hardy Boy]

Didn't Taff make the decision to do exactly that having accepted JB's version -by whatever means it was passed down to him- and subsequently leaving the scene after spending only a very short time there?

Doesn't matter Jane, another Cutie, you cannot use any reports that were made after the case, only when it suits them.  It doesn't sink in, 25 mins at a Major crime scene is totally and utterly unacceptable, OH he had a meeting to go to not concerned about the Murders.

[snow66!]

Your Not Cutie by any Chance are you?  Same as i say, i have my views you have yours, if you think that Taff helped JB then go for it, i don't think he did,  and he didn't do his Job right in the investigation, and the evidence shows this and the press conference and judges summing up of senior management show's this and various investigation afterwards show this,  and the recommanations on future murder investigations put into place after shows this,  It's no skin off my nose either way, iv'e looked at the evidence and i have had  friends in Essex Police and still do, i know all about structures in management and roles and the expectancies this role deserves, and such a horrendous crime deserved better in my view, instead of calling it murder suicide after a 25 minutes walkabout.

So you are not a believer in Occams Razor then HB?
Rather than believe what was in front of his eyes, you think Taff should have suspected foul play?
Even when he had ruled out any outside involvement by checking all doors and windows?

[Hardy Boy]

So you are not a believer in Occams Razor then HB?
Rather than believe what was in front of his eyes, you think Taff should have suspected foul play?
Even when he had ruled out any outside involvement by checking all doors and windows?

Snow, he was in attendance for 25 mins at WHF, he walked around WHF inside looking at the Bodies,  in 25 mins, in that 25 mins he holds a briefing outside with Miller and the rest of SOCO outlining what he THINKS happened, and the coarse of action required,  how long do you think he spent doing anything thorough, how long do you think he spent looking and checking every window was closed properly, do you think by some miraculous way, he spotted something others didn't see, my thoughts are for Jeremy as well as the victims, i don't think he did the crime scene and the investigation justice, if you think a 25 minute walkaround at a major 5 body possible murder or a murder suicide, i cannot offer you any more.  Think about it, 25 mins and then he fks off for a meeting nothing to do with WHF and this is the guy put in charge of the investigation.

[Zoso]

So you are not a believer in Occams Razor then HB?
Rather than believe what was in front of his eyes, you think Taff should have suspected foul play?
Even when he had ruled out any outside involvement by checking all doors and windows?

Ugh! Not that again! If you want to apply 'Occams shaving implement', why do you and others come up with the most convoluted and frankly ridiculous scenarios to explain the evidence?

[Zoso]

Snow, he was in attendance for 25 mins at WHF, he walked around WHF inside looking at the Bodies,  in 25 mins, in that 25 mins he holds a briefing outside with Miller and the rest of SOCO outlining what he THINKS happened, and the coarse of action required,  how long do you think he spent doing anything thorough, how long do you think he spent looking and checking every window was closed properly, do you think by some miraculous way, he spotted something others didn't see, my thoughts are for Jeremy as well as the victims, i don't think he did the crime scene and the investigation justice, if you think a 25 minute walkaround at a major 5 body possible murder or a murder suicide, i cannot offer you any more.  Think about it, 25 mins and then he fks off for a meeting nothing to do with WHF and this is the guy put in charge of the investigation.

Well said!

[Hardy Boy]

So you are not a believer in Occams Razor then HB?
Rather than believe what was in front of his eyes, you think Taff should have suspected foul play?
Even when he had ruled out any outside involvement by checking all doors and windows?

FFs checking windows and doors doesn't rule anybody or anything out, a copper should look at any case objectively, that's his job.  They have to go through all avenue's, it wasn't like it was a break in and a theft, don't talk daft.

[Hardy Boy]

So you are not a believer in Occams Razor then HB?
Rather than believe what was in front of his eyes, you think Taff should have suspected foul play?
Even when he had ruled out any outside involvement by checking all doors and windows?

i honestly cannot believe you think a case rests on this, 25 minute walkabout is not anything that respembles being thorough.

[Jane]

i honestly cannot believe you think a case rests on this, 25 minute walkabout is not anything that respembles being thorough.

It has often been claimed that nothing JB told police had any bearing on the case. It's been claimed that police wouldn't have taken any notice of it. No one seems to believe in the power of suggestion. I think the power of JB's suggestion was probably the the reason Taff thought 25 minutes was long enough to spend at the crime scene.

[Bubo bubo]

Your Not Cutie by any Chance are you?  Same as i say, i have my views you have yours, if you think that Taff helped JB then go for it, i don't think he did,  and he didn't do his Job right in the investigation, and the evidence shows this and the press conference and judges summing up of senior management show's this and various investigation afterwards show this,  and the recommanations on future murder investigations put into place after shows this,  It's no skin off my nose either way, iv'e looked at the evidence and i have had  friends in Essex Police and still do, i know all about structures in management and roles and the expectancies this role deserves, and such a horrendous crime deserved better in my view, instead of calling it murder suicide after a 25 minutes walkabout.

Wow who rattled your cage. Par for the course where your concerned. I have no view as to the impact Taff had on proceedings. He did not take things at face value. He investigated JM's suggestion that MM was a conspirator and a paid hitman. He was said to have said when MM was ruled out that JM was full of 'shit'.
What about all the time he spent interviewing or reading statements. He spent time listening to the family. He was the guy who had to bite his lip since he must have known the real truth. To suggest he made up his mind in a 25 minute walkabout is not supported by the facts and shows a  great deal of disrespect to a decorated policeman. Harris made the call and he agreed.

[Hardy Boy]

Wow who rattled your cage. Par for the course where your concerned. I have no view as to the impact Taff had on proceedings. He did not take things at face value. He investigated JM's suggestion that MM was a conspirator and a paid hitman. He was said to have said when MM was ruled out that JM was full of 'shit'.
What about all the time he spent interviewing or reading statements. He spent time listening to the family. He was the guy who had to bite his lip since he must have known the real truth. To suggest he made up his mind in a 25 minute walkabout is not supported by the facts and shows a  great deal of disrespect to a decorated policeman. Harris made the call and he agreed.

Most of the statements or quite a few were made when Taff was took off the case.  25 minute walkabout is supported by evidence.