Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Jane]

Yes it is.  You can read it in Dr Vanezis' stats.  He states on the afternoon of 8th Aug, after all 4 pm's, he attended WHF for a meeting with all officers involved including DCI Jones and DS Jones.  The only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

If you disagree please point us in the direction of those who diagreed by way of written testimony.

I emphatically do disagree. Sadly, those who I know to have disagreed, have both died. One being in his 80's, the other in his 90's. I know nothing of "written testimonies" being required to clarify positions. Surely, if all officers wattended the meeting, a show of hands would have been sufficient?

[Cambridgecutie]

I emphatically do disagree. Sadly, those who I know to have disagreed, have both died. One being in his 80's, the other in his 90's. I know nothing of "written testimonies" being required to clarify positions. Surely, if all officers wattended the meeting, a show of hands would have been sufficient?

The only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

[Adam]

The only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

Miller & Bews are on video saying they were suspicious early on. Together with the relatives.

Bamber had also told Julie he was involved.

[Cambridgecutie]

Miller & Bews are on video saying they were suspicious early on. Together with the relatives.

Bamber had also told Julie he was involved.

And I am sure every man and his dog will come out post acquittal saying they always thought he was innocent. 

DI Miller was present at the meeting with Dr Vanezis on 8th Aug where the only dissenter, according to Dr Vanezis, was DS Jones.

If PS Bews had concerns/suspicions where are these documented?  Bews saying xyz on the teli decades later is not evidence of anything. 

No Julie's wit stat states Bamber told her he was involved that's a completely different proposition to your claim that Bamber told her he was involved. 

[Adam]

And I am sure every man and his dog will come out post acquittal saying they always thought he was innocent. 

DI Miller was present at the meeting with Dr Vanezis on 8th Aug where the only dissenter, according to Dr Vanezis, was DS Jones.

If PS Bews had concerns/suspicions where are these documented?  Bews saying xyz on the teli decades later is not evidence of anything. 

No Julie's wit stat states Bamber told her he was involved that's a completely different proposition to your claim that Bamber told her he was involved.

Don't understand the last paragraph.

Whoever was suspicious in the first few hours, once the evidence had been processed, Bamber was in for a tough 39 years.

[Jane]

The only dissenter was DS Jones who offered nothing of evidential value.

Given the numerous claims of 'questionable' statements/testimonies, I imagine the same can be applied to the above.

[Cambridgecutie]

Don't understand the last paragraph.

We know JM claims in her WS that Bamber told her he was involved.  This is not evidence he was involved. 

Whoever was suspicious in the first few hours, once the evidence had been processed, Bamber was in for a tough 39 years.

The conviction hangs on one crucial piece of so-called evidence: a blood flake measuring around 1/4".  Nothing more and nothing less. 

[Adam]

We know JM claims in her WS that Bamber told her he was involved.  This is not evidence he was involved. 

The conviction hangs on one crucial piece of so-called evidence: a blood flake measuring around 1/4".  Nothing more and nothing less.

There is over 200 pieces of circumstantial & forensic evidence.

But appreciate supporters will focus on one piece because the relatives found it.

[BarefootDanC]

We know JM claims in her WS that Bamber told her he was involved.  This is not evidence he was involved. 

The conviction hangs on one crucial piece of so-called evidence: a blood flake measuring around 1/4".  Nothing more and nothing less.

There is plenty of other evidence, for example:

* evidence that Bamber called Mugford around 3am, 10 minutes before the supposed call from Nevill.
* neither Nevill nor Jeremy called 999
* Jeremy's hatred of his family and talking about killing them
* sheer lack of forensic evidence to suggest it was Sheila (no blood on her hand or feet, no gun residue on her hands, finger nails completely intact, etc)
* Sheila had no knowledge of guns
* The murderer over-powered Nevill, which suggests it was Jeremy rather than Sheila

[Cambridgecutie]

There is over 200 pieces of circumstantial & forensic evidence.

But appreciate supporters will focus on one piece because the relatives found it.

The conviction is based on a so-called blood flake measuring a 1/4" which the lab claimed to have found.  This has nothing whatosever to do with the blood, paint, scratches and hair on the OUTSIDE of the silencer which went to the FSS around a month earlier.

Most high profile contentious cases hang on very small aspects eg:

Barry George - particle of gunshot residue
Stefan Kiszko - absense of sperm in semen
Sally Clark - microbiological tests showed that her son had a colonisation of Staphylococcus aureus bacteria

I could go on and on. 

[Adam]

The conviction is based on a so-called blood flake measuring a 1/4" which the lab claimed to have found.  This has nothing whatosever to do with the blood, paint, scratches and hair on the OUTSIDE of the silencer which went to the FSS around a month earlier.

Most high profile contentious cases hang on very small aspects eg:

Barry George - particle of gunshot residue
Stefan Kiszko - absense of sperm in semen
Sally Clark - microbiological tests showed that her son had a colonisation of Staphylococcus aureus bacteria

I could go on and on.

The silencer has come and gone.

Bamber has gone down many other avenues.

[Cambridgecutie]

There is plenty of other evidence, for example:

* evidence that Bamber called Mugford around 3am, 10 minutes before the supposed call from Nevill.
* neither Nevill nor Jeremy called 999
* Jeremy's hatred of his family and talking about killing them
* sheer lack of forensic evidence to suggest it was Sheila (no blood on her hand or feet, no gun residue on her hands, finger nails completely intact, etc)
* Sheila had no knowledge of guns
* The murderer over-powered Nevill, which suggests it was Jeremy rather than Sheila

* the phone calls are not evidence of anything
* for every witness who came forward and said JB said something negative about his family there were others who said the opposite
* the state of SC was entirely compatible with her carrying out the murders/suicide hence the chief sup, police surgeon and pathologist did not query
*what knowledge do you need to fill a magazine, try it for yourself, point a rifle and pull the trigger?  All victims sustained shots at close range.  How could anyone miss?  JB was a marksman at Greshams.  Had he have wanted to murder his family.  He would have fired one shot to the head.  'Guilters' say it needed to look manic and amateurish. 
*the murderer over-powered NB after he sustained 2 gunshot wounds to the face which the pathologist made clear caused much bleeding, great pain and would have killed him had the other shots not supervened.  He also lost the complete use of his left arm by the time he arrived in the kitchen.  How was he a threat to anyone in that state?

[Cambridgecutie]

The silencer has come and gone.

Bamber has gone down many other avenues.

It isn't the silencer per se that needs undermining.  Its the blood flake.

Bamber can go down as many avenue as he chooses, only the blood flake is capable of a CCRC referral and winning an appeal.  There are many other aspects that can be undermined too but the flake is the biggie. 

[Adam]

* the phone calls are not evidence of anything
* for every witness who came forward and said JB said something negative about his family there were others who said the opposite
* the state of SC was entirely compatible with her carrying out the murders/suicide hence the chief sup, police surgeon and pathologist did not query
*what knowledge do you need to fill a magazine, try it for yourself, point a rifle and pull the trigger?  All victims sustained shots at close range.  How could anyone miss?  JB was a marksman at Greshams.  Had he have wanted to murder his family.  He would have fired one shot to the head.  'Guilters' say it needed to look manic and amateurish. 
*the murderer over-powered NB after he sustained 2 gunshot wounds to the face which the pathologist made clear caused much bleeding, great pain and would have killed him had the other shots not supervened.  He also lost the complete use of his left arm by the time he arrived in the kitchen.  How was he a threat to anyone in that state?

You can't keep saying all the evidence against Bamber is wrong. There are over 200 pieces.

Most of it has gone through the DPP, trial, CCRC & COA.

[Cambridgecutie]

You can't keep saying all the evidence against Bamber is wrong. There are over 200 pieces.

Most of it has gone through the DPP, trial, CCRC & COA.

I could not give a flying fig if there are 2,000,000 pieces and who it has gone through.  The flake has never taken centre stage and its this and this alone that needs undermining for a CoA hearing.  An opportunity will then present to have many other aspects undermined. 

I am going to prune my lavender.