Police Fitting Up Suspects

[Cambridgecutie]

It is well documented that the police fit up suspects for a variety of reasons.  I Googled 'police fitting up suspects' and numerous cases were thrown up.  Here are just two recent cases:

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/live-west-yorkshire-police-leeds-15730510

https://policeprofessional.com/news/force-issues-apology-after-officer-threatens-to-fit-up-suspect/

Bearing in mind the above are recent and decades after PACE.  WHF happened at a time shortly after PACE when most of the officers working the case had spent most of their career in a pre-PACE environment which allowed them carte blanche.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice

[Zoso]

It is well documented that the police fit up suspects for a variety of reasons.  I Googled 'police fitting up suspects' and numerous cases were thrown up.  Here are just two recent cases:

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/live-west-yorkshire-police-leeds-15730510

https://policeprofessional.com/news/force-issues-apology-after-officer-threatens-to-fit-up-suspect/

Bearing in mind the above are recent and decades after PACE.  WHF happened at a time shortly after PACE when most of the officers working the case had spent most of their career in a pre-PACE environment which allowed them carte blanche.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice

Of course they have - that doesn't mean they fitted up Bamber and even if there was some of that going on - he was still guilty.

[Roch]

Of course they have - that doesn't mean they fitted up Bamber and even if there was some of that going on - he was still guilty.

Can you please clarify.. even if there was some of what going on?

[Steve_uk]

Can you please clarify.. even if there was some of what going on?

Probably realizing that in a circumstantial case they needed to clear a path for Julie to testify unblemished. Also little things such as removing a pair of slippers from Sheila's bedroom. It pales into insignificance when one considers the wickedness of Bamber's actions.

[BarefootDanC]

It is well documented that the police fit up suspects for a variety of reasons.  I Googled 'police fitting up suspects' and numerous cases were thrown up.  Here are just two recent cases:

https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/live-west-yorkshire-police-leeds-15730510

https://policeprofessional.com/news/force-issues-apology-after-officer-threatens-to-fit-up-suspect/

Bearing in mind the above are recent and decades after PACE.  WHF happened at a time shortly after PACE when most of the officers working the case had spent most of their career in a pre-PACE environment which allowed them carte blanche.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/police-and-criminal-evidence-act-1984-pace-codes-of-practice

Did you come across any other cases where they believed it was suicide and then, out of nowhere, they framed someone for murder?

Or any cases where they framed a non-suspect (Jeremy was not a suspect initially)?

In fact, according to the Campaign Team, they actually knew it wasn't Jeremy!

[ILB]

I do believe in this case they would have to tread very carefully. Due to the suspects background both class and circumstances.

[Cambridgecutie]

Did you come across any other cases where they believed it was suicide and then, out of nowhere, they framed someone for murder?

Show me another mass shooting in the UK where the perpertrator went unwitnessed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

Or any cases where they framed a non-suspect (Jeremy was not a suspect initially)?

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.

In fact, according to the Campaign Team, they actually knew it wasn't Jeremy!

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

[Zoso]

Can you please clarify.. even if there was some of what going on?

Oh come on Roch, how many times have I said I'm not invested in the silencer evidence? I used to be more sure it was fabricated, now I'm not so sure but I'm as sure as I can be (without being there), that Bamber is guilty. We can argue ethics and justice all night but anyone who kills five people, including two six year old children, deserves to be where he is.

[Zoso]

Show me another mass shooting in the UK where the perpertrator went unwitnessed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

What's that got to do with anything? They other cases are all stranger killings - the Bamber case is completely different. In the other cases, there was no motive other than frustration and anger - Bamber's motive was gain.

The fact that none of the other officers thought it was Bamber was because of the phone call and the staged scene. The pathologist didn't see the scene.

[Steve_uk]

Show me another mass shooting in the UK where the perpertrator went unwitnessed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

I'm not sure that's true. There were rumblings in the lower ranks that gave rise to the sentiment "we're not happy with this chap."

[Zoso]

I'm not sure that's true. There were rumblings in the lower ranks that gave rise to the sentiment "we're not happy with this chap."

We have no idea who thought what. I have no doubt there were more than we know.

[Hardy Boy]

Show me another mass shooting in the UK where the perpertrator went unwitnessed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_Kingdom

There was no "they".  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory.

There was no "they" about it.  DS Jones was the only dissenter from the murder/suicide theory and he alone fabricated the silencer and secured JM's testimony.

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

Your Wrong again,  Woodcock did not think it was Murder Suicide, and he made his views Known.  Anyway, it's nice to see you being Honest and not  Pretending anymore about the case,  what i would like to know, why have you all of a sudden come clean.  I would say. NGB, ROCH and DAVID have  had you weighed up and spoke the truth about you, and David's attacks on you have in most cases been Justified.

[Cambridgecutie]

Your Wrong again,  Woodcock did not think it was Murder Suicide, and he made his views Known.  Anyway, it's nice to see you being Honest and not  Pretending anymore about the case,  what i would like to know, why have you all of a sudden come clean.  I would say. NGB, ROCH and DAVID have  had you weighed up and spoke the truth about you, and David's attacks on you have in most cases been Justified.

You saying I am wrong does not make it right!  There's nothing in A/PS Woodcock's wit stat of 20/09 about thinking the scene didn't look right.  If you want to claim A/PS Woodcock was a dissenter from the murder/suicide theory please provide documentary evidence to this effect. 

And stop trying to stir the pot brining other members into your posts. 

[Hardy Boy]

You saying I am wrong does not make it right!  There's nothing in A/PS Woodcock's wit stat of 20/09 about thinking the scene didn't look right.  If you want to claim A/PS Woodcock was a dissenter from the murder/suicide theory please provide documentary evidence to this effect. 

And stop trying to stir the pot brining other members into your posts.

I'm not stirring the Pot, it's something that has been openly discussed on here, it would be interesting to know why you have changed back to your always and original thoughts that's all.  NGB and Roch and David have probably come under some unfailr criticism on here,  others have defended you, now youv'e done a complete 360, i would want to know why, that's all and was it a game you have been playing? 

 It doesn't bother me your thoughts about the case one bit, in fact youv'e added interest again as far as i'm concerened, and you are a good poster, i'm not here to prove Jeremy's guilt or innocence, what i will debate is when accusations are made against someone that are totally unfounded.


It's in Woodcocks written statements, and i'm not going to find anything for you, when i do you either dismiss it or put time frames on it.

[Hardy Boy]

No one thought it was JB except the relatives and DS Jones.  None of the raid team/firearms thought it was anything other than murder/suicide.  Nor did Chief Sup Harris, DCI Jones, the police surgeon or pathologist think it was anything other than murder/suicide.

However there seem to have been some junior officers, who from an early stage believed that everything did not add up.