Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Zoso]

Imo Bamber has been poorly advised and supported over the years.  He is incredibly lucky to have someone like me on the 'A' team.  Like most convictions, Bamber's hangs on a tiny piece of forensic evidence.  Namely a flake of blood said to have been found inside the silencer which matched SC's blood groups.  It is this and this alone that the case stands or falls on.  All the rest is a sideshow.  I am in the process of writing to him to remind him of this fact. 

This can be evidenced by the judge's summing up (blood flake).  Jurors question to the judge (blood flake).  And the fact the CCRC referral to the CoA in 2002 was based on this very matter (blood flake).

I hope that A Team comment was a joke? 😆😆

[Hardy Boy]

I hope that A Team comment was a joke? 😆😆

Ye, here Jeremy i'm taking over, sack your Legal and bin the CT, it was Stan who pricked his finger and smeared the silencer, it's Stans blood on the silencer.  I don't know when he put the paint on it but it's deffo him.  CC

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes i re read it thanks.  So what we are left with if you think Stan Planted the blood and Paint on his OWN, from 10.30pm on Monday evening the 12th when he leaves PE,  to 9.15am in the morning the next day on the 13th when he hands it to Cook?  Unless you now think the relatives were involved with him?

I didn't say on his OWN.  I said he had to have been involved to have the level of inside knowledge and forensic awareness that the relatives could not possibly have had.  As I said we will probably never know until such time that the survivors are hauled before the CCRC/CoA to give evidence.  And even then it will be a case of breaking them down.  According to DB's contribution to the New Yorker there's no love lost between him and his sister so this could assist.  Divide and conquer.  Plus they are all getting on in years now.  I think DB might be a bit of a believer too.

[Cambridgecutie]

Ye, here Jeremy i'm taking over, sack your Legal and bin the CT, it was Stan who pricked his finger and smeared the silencer, it's Stans blood on the silencer.  I don't know when he put the paint on it but it's deffo him.  CC

But you seem to overlook that JB's conviction has never been underpinned on the external contaminants. 

[Cambridgecutie]

How do you know he would have know? People make errors everyday why does it have to be that he ‘circumvented’ the system?

He was an experienced officer.  Circa a quarter of a century under his belt.  It stands to reason he would be offay with the 'property register'.

Why did he go to Oak farm to collect the silencer?  He was not a SOCO officer.  Why did he not take an exhibit bag and label? 

[Hardy Boy]

He was an experienced officer.  Circa a quarter of a century under his belt.  It stands to reason he would be offay with the 'property register'.

Why did he go to Oak farm to collect the silencer?  He was not a SOCO officer. Why did he not take an exhibit bag and label?

But stupid enough to offer his own blood to ne forensically tested in a murder imquiry.

5.00pm Monday night, would Soco be on hand, why would it need SOCO to collect something that the Family have handled like a Baton?

This was Essex Police remember, the Clousea squad, even Bird the photographer was allowed to collect exhibits.

[Hardy Boy]

I know Basil Cock was the Accountant, but i always though he was the Executor as well,  Mike has always refered him as the Executor and others on here have, RWB refers to him being the Executor as well in Court, was he or wasn't he,  does anyone know, he seems to be the one everyone goes through which is usually the Executors job?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12318.0;attach=60141;image

[Hardy Boy]

I didn't say on his OWN.  I said he had to have been involved to have the level of inside knowledge and forensic awareness that the relatives could not possibly have had.  As I said we will probably never know until such time that the survivors are hauled before the CCRC/CoA to give evidence.  And even then it will be a case of breaking them down.  According to DB's contribution to the New Yorker there's no love lost between him and his sister so this could assist.  Divide and conquer.  Plus they are all getting on in years now.  I think DB might be a bit of a believer too.

Yes you did, you said ONE and FOUR which means number ONE he acted alone, why do you move the Goal posts all the time?  It's because whenever your proved wrong you will not accept it and want to change things, but don't worry it gets spotted.

I bet your Glad you moved from RED to Blue, at least on here your getting Educated

1. DS Jones acted alone
2. The relatives acted collectively
3. DS Jones together with relatives collectively
4. DS Jones together with one or more relatives
5. One or more relatives

I am going for 1 or 4.  DS Jones would have to be involved to have the level of knowledge required.


No.  DS Jones acted COMPLETLEY alone was responsible for the blood, paint and hair on the outside.

[Cambridgecutie]

But stupid enough to offer his own blood to ne forensically tested in a murder imquiry.

How many more times?  Back in the day, pre DNA, it was not possible for forensics to stastically individualise bloodstains.  It was only possible to group and these groups were shared by approx 8% of unrelated white British population.  And even this required good quality bloodstains of a particular size.  Hence when the bloodstains on the rifle were examined the test results came back:

71. The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon. The appearance of the blood staining was consistent with it having been used to strike somebody who was already bleeding. On analysis the blood was found to be human blood but tests to determine grouping were unsuccessful.

Please pay careful attention to the size of the bloodstains on the rifle and silencer.  DS Jones would know that the tiny bloodstains he contaminated the outside of the silencer with were too small to show anything other than the stain was in fact blood and human in origin. 

5.00pm Monday night, would Soco be on hand, why would it need SOCO to collect something that the Family have handled like a Baton?

When did the relatives make the call?  It was SOCO's role to handle exhibits. 

This was Essex Police remember, the Clousea squad, even Bird the photographer was allowed to collect exhibits.

I thought DC Bird was a SOCO officer? 

[Cambridgecutie]

< = less than!

[Cambridgecutie]

I know Basil Cock was the Accountant, but i always though he was the Executor as well,  Mike has always refered him as the Executor and others on here have, RWB refers to him being the Executor as well in Court, was he or wasn't he,  does anyone know, he seems to be the one everyone goes through which is usually the Executors job?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12318.0;attach=60141;image

Its not unusual (I saw Tom Jones in concert during the summer) for accountants to also take on the role of executor.  Basically just an administrator for sorting out the estate. 

[Adam]

It doesn't matter when they were shot.  But if he hadn't, they would be here today (barring illness and accidents) and enjoying their lives which he swept away purely for greed.

Agree if Bamber had not shot the twins, they would still be here today.

Me & Steve believe he shot them first. Once each.

CAL believes he shot them once each after shooting Nevill & June 9 times.

How long do you think Bamber hit Nevill for with the rifle.

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes you did, you said ONE and FOUR which means number ONE he acted alone, why do you move the Goal posts all the time?  It's because whenever your proved wrong you will not accept it and want to change things, but don't worry it gets spotted.

I bet your Glad you moved from RED to Blue, at least on here your getting Educated

1. DS Jones acted alone
2. The relatives acted collectively
3. DS Jones together with relatives collectively
4. DS Jones together with one or more relatives
5. One or more relatives

I am going for 1 or 4.  DS Jones would have to be involved to have the level of knowledge required.


No.  DS Jones acted COMPLETLEY alone was responsible for the blood, paint and hair on the outside.

That's your interpretation not mine.  You appear to be saying I said DS Jones acted alone period.  I am saying I don't know.  It is possible he did act alone.  I am also saying it is possible one or more relatives colluded with him. 

[Cambridgecutie]

That's your interpretation not mine.  You appear to be saying I said DS Jones acted alone period.  I am saying I don't know.  It is possible he did act alone.  I am also saying it is possible one or more relatives colluded with him.

One thing I am certain about is that the relatives, either alone or one or more together, did not act without input from DS Jones.

[Hardy Boy]

How many more times?  Back in the day, pre DNA, it was not possible for forensics to stastically individualise bloodstains.  It was only possible to group and these groups were shared by approx 8% of unrelated white British population.  And even this required good quality bloodstains of a particular size.  Hence when the bloodstains on the rifle were examined the test results came back:

71. The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon. The appearance of the blood staining was consistent with it having been used to strike somebody who was already bleeding. On analysis the blood was found to be human blood but tests to determine grouping were unsuccessful.

Please pay careful attention to the size of the bloodstains on the rifle and silencer.  DS Jones would know that the tiny bloodstains he contaminated the outside of the silencer with were too small to show anything other than the stain was in fact blood and human in origin. 

When did the relatives make the call? It was SOCO's role to handle exhibits. 

I thought DC Bird was a SOCO officer?

It was claimed they made the call as soon as they took them home?  No one came, i personally don't think they mentioned blood on the silencer ay this call, i think they just said they found the silencer? because later Jones refers to it being of no interset,  it wasn't found at the tip of the crime scene and it had been explained away that it wasn't even on the rifle and in my opinion they just resigned to it being murder suicide,  RWB goes in  Monday and kicks off and tells them there is blood on the silencer and why hasn't no one collected it, Jones is told at 5.00pm to go and collect it? 

 i'm pretty certain Bird states his role Job is Photography, there is no one lower than him he say's, yes he was part of SOCO, but i think this was his first real big Job [notsure on that]