Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[Hardy Boy]

Interesting posts HB.

I mean youv'e got Stan, he's been accused of all sorts, but when you look at his timeline,  he's had Wed, Thurs, Friday,  on the case, he's obviously not Happy from what he's heard from Jeremy, but he's got nothing other than Suspecting Bamber.

He's relayed his feelings to Taff and  goes Friday evening with Taff, hoping for Taff to agree with him, Taff went about the  two statements and what officers had said and what AP had said about the rifle and Sheila, they then come out and Taff kinda cuts Stan short, "Still murder Suicide", the two statements matched as far as Taff was concerend?

At this point, Stan would feel a little deflated on the Friday Evening, but he's off work over the weekend on the 10th and 11th.  He gets Back on the Monday, Probably resigned to the fact there is no evidence and then up Pops RWB, kicking off why haven't they been to fetch the silencer, there's blood on it, i think he went about 5.00pm to Oak Farm to fetch the silencer and he left at 10.30pm.  He probably asked who found it, there is only PE there i think Anne had gone to WHF alarm trouble, and then returned, so Stan would say, i might need a statemnt at sometime of DB?

The 16th, he's on Holiday annual leave and doesn't return till the 2nd of Sept, so technically, he's spent about 6 days on the case and from 7th of August till 2nd of Sept he's away.  Yet he's accused of being into all sorts and in it at every turn. 

Barlow Takes over the investigation,  Taff called Barlow in on the 24th i think to see how it was going, and Barlow is like Stan, not happy about Bamber, but has nothing on him.  He comes away from Taff with the feeling that Taff wants him to keep plugging away and come back when you have something concrete to go to his Bosses with.

[Hardy Boy]

That's not surprising when you consider for whatever reason(s) DS Jones did not enter the silencer exhibit into the correct record book.  He was a very exprienced officer and would have understood the processes and systems.  Why did he circumvent the system?

Yes, i'm not saying it wasn't poor Police work, i think and this is my own personnel opinion, Taff had dampened any enthusiasm about the case, Taff came away Friday and was Adament it was Murder Suicide and Bamber was innocent.

Stan is off work Sat and Sun, he comes back Monday and he's thinking about his annual leave on Thursday and he will not see the case till Sept 2nd.  I think Stan, and it's a classic and Happens, thought i'll leave it with them.  Not saying the case, sometimes when people are  handing over, they don't tell everything, they try to Make themselves look smarter than that other person?

When i worked in the Coal Mines, the two week Annual leave in August was something you looked forward to all Year, two weeks off work was like winning the Lottery, two weeks before the Annual Leave we called it Bull Week, everyone worked as much as they could and  this was the wage you took with you on Holiday.  The next week,  the week before you was off, we used to say it's wind down week,   in other words, no one gave a FK and it didn't matter

[Jane]

Yes, i'm not saying it wasn't poor Police work, i think and this is my own personnel opinion, Taff had dampened any enthusiasm about the case, Taff came away Friday and was Adament it was Murder Suicide and Bamber was innocent.

Stan is off work Sat and Sun, he comes back Monday and he's thinking about his annual leave on Thursday and he will not see the case till Sept 2nd.  I think Stan, and it's a classic and Happens, thought i'll leave it with them.  Not saying the case, sometimes when people are  handing over, they don't tell everything, they try to Make themselves look smarter than that other person?

When i worked in the Coal Mines, the two week Annual leave in August was something you looked forward to all Year, two weeks off work was like winning the Lottery, two weeks before the Annual Leave we called it Bull Week, everyone worked as much as they could and  this was the wage you took with you on Holiday.  The next week,  the week before you was off, we used to say it's wind down week,   in other words, no one gave a FK and it didn't matter

Gentle reminder! NEVER buy anything made on Friday afternoons!!!

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes, i'm not saying it wasn't poor Police work, i think and this is my own personnel opinion, Taff had dampened any enthusiasm about the case, Taff came away Friday and was Adament it was Murder Suicide and Bamber was innocent.

Stan is off work Sat and Sun, he comes back Monday and he's thinking about his annual leave on Thursday and he will not see the case till Sept 2nd.  I think Stan, and it's a classic and Happens, thought i'll leave it with them.  Not saying the case, sometimes when people are  handing over, they don't tell everything, they try to Make themselves look smarter than that other person?

When i worked in the Coal Mines, the two week Annual leave in August was something you looked forward to all Year, two weeks off work was like winning the Lottery, two weeks before the Annual Leave we called it Bull Week, everyone worked as much as they could and  this was the wage you took with you on Holiday.  The next week,  the week before you was off, we used to say it's wind down week,   in other words, no one gave a FK and it didn't matter

It appears DS Jones was the relatives go-to officer.  Perhaps because he was the only one prepared to condone their theories.  DS Jones was not a SOCO officer.  Why did he go to Oak Farm to pick up the silencer?  And why did he not go prepared with an exhibit bag and label?

We have the finding of the silencer on Sat 10th Aug circa noon.  This appears reliable.  We then have the collection of the silencer from Oak Farm on Mon 12th Aug circa late noon/early eve.  This appears reliable.  A window of around 48 hours where we have an unexplained and unfathomable overnight camp at WHF involving PE and an extended stay by DS Jones drinking whisky with PE well into the night at Oak Farm.  My instincts tell me something very dodgy was going on. 

Bamber's conviction hangs on the blood said to have been found inside the silencer and matchings SC's groups.  Tests now show this was fabricated.  I think we are only going to find out who fabricated the blood on the outside, paint, scratches and hair when CCRC/CoA interview the Eatons, DB, BC and BW.  Sadly DS Jones is no longer alive so will escape any justice coming his way.  I believe the Eatons, DB and BW are still alive.  RWB is deceased.  I'm unsure about BC.

It would almost certainly have involved DS Jones as he was the only one with the knowledge:

- access to soc images to check area to be scratched
- aware of no visible blood on/in rifle/barrel
- aware small blood stains were incapable of proving anything beyond confirmation the stain was blood and human in origin

[Adam]

It appears DS Jones was the relatives go-to officer.  Perhaps because he was the only one prepared to condone their theories.  DS Jones was not a SOCO officer.  Why did he go to Oak Farm to pick up the silencer?  And why did he not go prepared with an exhibit bag and label?

We have the finding of the silencer on Sat 10th Aug circa noon.  This appears reliable.  We then have the collection of the silencer from Oak Farm on Mon 12th Aug circa late noon/early eve.  This appears reliable.  A window of around 48 hours where we have an unexplained and unfathomable overnight camp at WHF involving PE and an extended stay by DS Jones drinking whisky with PE well into the night at Oak Farm.  My instincts tell me something very dodgy was going on. 

Bamber's conviction hangs on the blood said to have been found inside the silencer and matchings SC's groups.  Tests now show this was fabricated.  I think we are only going to find out who fabricated the blood on the outside, paint, scratches and hair when CCRC/CoA interview the Eatons, DB, BC and BW.  Sadly DS Jones is no longer alive so will escape any justice coming his way.  I believe the Eatons, DB and BW are still alive.  RWB is deceased.  I'm unsure about BC.

It would almost certainly have involved DS Jones as he was the only one with the knowledge:

- access to soc images to check area to be scratched
- aware of no visible blood on/in rifle/barrel
- aware small blood stains were incapable of proving anything beyond confirmation the stain was blood and human in origin

There is over 200 pieces of evidence against him. Nearly 100 forensic. All sourced. Together with multiple witnesses.

This is why his appeals have covered so many different areas looking for a technicality.

There was also paint in the silencer.

But appreciate you will focus on SJ fabricating the silencer with his blood.

[ILB]

There is over 200 pieces of evidence against him. Nearly 100 forensic. All sourced. Together with multiple witnesses.

This is why his appeals have covered so many different areas looking for a technicality.

There was also paint in the silencer.

But appreciate you will focus on SJ fabricating the silencer with his blood.

200 pieces of evidence

68 pieces of evidence

37 pieces of evidence

64 pieces of evidence

92 pieces of evidence

16 pieces of evidence

489 pieces of evidence

8 pieces of evidence

55 pieces of evidence

[Cambridgecutie]

There is over 200 pieces of evidence against him. Nearly 100 forensic. All sourced. Together with multiple witnesses.

This is why his appeals have covered so many different areas looking for a technicality.

There was also paint in the silencer.

But appreciate you will focus on SJ fabricating the silencer with his blood.

Imo Bamber has been poorly advised and supported over the years.  He is incredibly lucky to have someone like me on the 'A' team.  Like most convictions, Bamber's hangs on a tiny piece of forensic evidence.  Namely a flake of blood said to have been found inside the silencer which matched SC's blood groups.  It is this and this alone that the case stands or falls on.  All the rest is a sideshow.  I am in the process of writing to him to remind him of this fact. 

This can be evidenced by the judge's summing up (blood flake).  Jurors question to the judge (blood flake).  And the fact the CCRC referral to the CoA in 2002 was based on this very matter (blood flake).

[ILB]

Imo Bamber has been poorly advised and supported over the years.  He is incredibly lucky to have someone like me on the 'A' team.  Like most convictions, Bamber's hangs on a tiny piece of forensic evidence.  Namely a flake of blood said to have been found inside the silencer which matched SC's blood groups.  It is this and this alone that the case stands or falls on.  All the rest is a sideshow.  I am in the process of writing to him to remind him of this fact. 

This can be evidenced by the judge's summing up (blood flake).  Jurors question to the judge (blood flake).  And the fact the CCRC referral to the CoA in 2002 was based on this very matter (blood flake).

I think confessing to his girlfriend is very strong evidence in fairness.

Arlidge was on record saying " this was the strongest piece of evidence in his view"

But Justice Drakes " on the evidence of the silencer alone you may convict Mr Bamber" speaks for itself

[ILB]

Imo Bamber has been poorly advised and supported over the years.  He is incredibly lucky to have someone like me on the 'A' team. 

Why is Jeremy Bamber lucky to have you and what have you done for him? Out of interest?

[Curiosity]

Baked him a burnt cake?

[Cambridgecutie]

I think confessing to his girlfriend is very strong evidence in fairness.

Arlidge was on record saying " this was the strongest piece of evidence in his view"

But Justice Drakes " on the evidence of the silencer alone you may convict Mr Bamber" speaks for itself

Alledgedly. 

Exactly.

[Cambridgecutie]

Why is Jeremy Bamber lucky to have you and what have you done for him? Out of interest?

A better question might be, what haven't I done!!!???

[Adam]

Baked him a burnt cake?

Do you think SJ fabricated the silencer?

[Curiosity]

Do you think SJ fabricated the silencer?

Of course NOT!  The only thing that's fictional and fabricated is Cc's skewed view.

[Adam]

Of course NOT!  The only thing that's fictional and fabricated is Cc's skewed view.

Do you think Bamber shot the twins first or last?