Silencer: If Sheila's blood was planted what about David & Pamela's blood group?

[ILB]

Well done for remembering.  12 months will soon pass and it will be a big milestone.  I wonder if he will get a gift from the prison governor for long sentence?  Maybe a clock?

By all accounts a model prisoner.

[Cambridgecutie]

I don't mind any banter or name calling, i do try to refrain from it, i had never heard the word before, SOFTY BOY, i wondered why she used it, it's either the opposite of Hardy Boy or Innuendo............

There are other terms it refers to which i'm not putting up on here, and like i said names don't bother me, and i don't want the Mods to get involved i can fight my own battles, but i hope she remembers this before she goes crying to the Mods again.

Then you realize why she name called,  because she was questioned in her accusation by accusing Stan of pricking his finger to fabricate his own blood onto the silencer and offer as evidence to the forensic team when he took the silencer back to his office.

 HOW was it possible for Stan to do this if he is told to collect the Silencer from the family in the first place because there is BLOOD on the silencer?  RWB went to Witham to see why the Police on Monday hadn't collected the silencer because there was blood on it,  so how or why  does Stan add his own blood to the silencer in his office like she has suggested when there is already blood on the silencer,    the BLOOD is already on it?  She has basically made a fool of herself.

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SoftyHardy Boy

Why do you keep uploading COLP statements?  They are simply the individual's recollections some 6 years on.  They are not evidence of anything. 

- There seems little doubt the silencer was found in the cupboard at WHF by the relatives on 10th Aug. 
- Afaik BW and BC were within WHF but I have not seen any statements from them about this blockbuster piece of evidence?
- The relatives did not make any statements until Sept with the exception of AE who made a stat on 14th Aug but no mention of the silencer
- When they did make statements in Sept they are extremely contradictory about who saw what when, where the silencer was stored after it was removed from WHF and who contacted the police to advise them of this blockbuster piece of evidence
- When DS Jones arrived on 12th Aug he did not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label.  He improvised with the inner of a kitchen roll
- Instead of hurrying back to the station to secure this blockbuster piece of evidence he stayed at Oak Farm for some considerable time drinking whisky with PE.  What was under discussion?  DS Jones was not a family liaison officer and PE was only related to the Bambers by marriage. 
- On 10th Aug for reasons unknown and quite unfathomable PE and CN camped outside WHF in CN's campervan.  Not the 9th Aug when the firearms and valuables had not been removed or secured but the night after.  Why?

It is you who continues to make a fool of yourself by living in denial. 

[Roch]

Plenty available online - https://www.lexilogos.com/english/english_old.htm

Thanks, I saw one or two of those. I was going to get a book. Might try the online ones first though.

[Hardy Boy]

SoftyHardy Boy

Why do you keep uploading COLP statements?  They are simply the individual's recollections some 6 years on.  They are not evidence of anything. 

- There seems little doubt the silencer was found in the cupboard at WHF by the relatives on 10th Aug. 
- Afaik BW and BC were within WHF but I have not seen any statements from them about this blockbuster piece of evidence?
- The relatives did not make any statements until Sept with the exception of AE who made a stat on 14th Aug but no mention of the silencer
- When they did make statements in Sept they are extremely contradictory about who saw what when, where the silencer was stored after it was removed from WHF and who contacted the police to advise them of this blockbuster piece of evidence
- When DS Jones arrived on 12th Aug he did not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label.  He improvised with the inner of a kitchen roll
- Instead of hurrying back to the station to secure this blockbuster piece of evidence he stayed at Oak Farm for some considerable time drinking whisky with PE.  What was under discussion?  DS Jones was not a family liaison officer and PE was only related to the Bambers by marriage. 
- On 10th Aug for reasons unknown and quite unfathomable PE and CN camped outside WHF in CN's campervan.  Not the 9th Aug when the firearms and valuables had not been removed or secured but the night after.  Why?

It is you who continues to make a fool of yourself by living in denial.

Oh sorry i didn't know COLP statements was off limits? 

[Hardy Boy]

SoftyHardy Boy

Why do you keep uploading COLP statements?  They are simply the individual's recollections some 6 years on.  They are not evidence of anything. 

- There seems little doubt the silencer was found in the cupboard at WHF by the relatives on 10th Aug. 
- Afaik BW and BC were within WHF but I have not seen any statements from them about this blockbuster piece of evidence?
- The relatives did not make any statements until Sept with the exception of AE who made a stat on 14th Aug but no mention of the silencer
- When they did make statements in Sept they are extremely contradictory about who saw what when, where the silencer was stored after it was removed from WHF and who contacted the police to advise them of this blockbuster piece of evidence
- When DS Jones arrived on 12th Aug he did not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label.  He improvised with the inner of a kitchen roll
- Instead of hurrying back to the station to secure this blockbuster piece of evidence he stayed at Oak Farm for some considerable time drinking whisky with PE.  What was under discussion?  DS Jones was not a family liaison officer and PE was only related to the Bambers by marriage. 
- On 10th Aug for reasons unknown and quite unfathomable PE and CN camped outside WHF in CN's campervan.  Not the 9th Aug when the firearms and valuables had not been removed or secured but the night after.  Why?

It is you who continues to make a fool of yourself by living in denial.

I think a lot of this can be put down to Miller, i don't think they put any importance to the finding of the silencer, even with the Possibility of Blood being on the exterior?  I think he got slated for the fact this was sufficient to delay the release of the bodies for Burial?

 It's standard practice by the Police to go back for statements at a later date, the CPS once looking at the evidence will always ask for more.  But i do agree a statement should have been taken at the time, maybe Stan had the Holiday head on, he was going on Annual leave in a couple of days. 

Even though Stan was blamed for a lot, he was only there for the first week of the investigation and then he was on Holiday, not quite sure but i think it's about the begining of Sept end of Aug he's back at work?

[Hardy Boy]

SoftyHardy Boy

Why do you keep uploading COLP statements?  They are simply the individual's recollections some 6 years on.  They are not evidence of anything. 

- There seems little doubt the silencer was found in the cupboard at WHF by the relatives on 10th Aug. 
- Afaik BW and BC were within WHF but I have not seen any statements from them about this blockbuster piece of evidence?
- The relatives did not make any statements until Sept with the exception of AE who made a stat on 14th Aug but no mention of the silencer
- When they did make statements in Sept they are extremely contradictory about who saw what when, where the silencer was stored after it was removed from WHF and who contacted the police to advise them of this blockbuster piece of evidence
- When DS Jones arrived on 12th Aug he did not go prepared with an exhibit bag/label.  He improvised with the inner of a kitchen roll
- Instead of hurrying back to the station to secure this blockbuster piece of evidence he stayed at Oak Farm for some considerable time drinking whisky with PE.  What was under discussion?  DS Jones was not a family liaison officer and PE was only related to the Bambers by marriage. 
- On 10th Aug for reasons unknown and quite unfathomable PE and CN camped outside WHF in CN's campervan.  Not the 9th Aug when the firearms and valuables had not been removed or secured but the night after.  Why?

It is you who continues to make a fool of yourself by living in denial.

Maybe a Red Flag for me, this is what makes me think there could have been nothing on the silencer when it was found at WHF,  DB made a statement saying he found it and looked at it at WHF and  the blood and Paint was seen, if it was seen, there is no doubt BC and BW would have been shown or known about such,

The family would know this as well, so maybe DB made the mistake when he made the statement and didn't follow what was planned, to switch such findings of the blood on the silencer to Oak Farm, that is why the confusion witht the statements,  this way it keeps BC and BW out of it?

[Hardy Boy]

I think a lot of this can be put down to Miller, i don't think they put any importance to the finding of the silencer, even with the Possibility of Blood being on the exterior?  I think he got slated for the fact this was sufficient to delay the release of the bodies for Burial?

 It's standard practice by the Police to go back for statements at a later date, the CPS once looking at the evidence will always ask for more.  But i do agree a statement should have been taken at the time, maybe Stan had the Holiday head on, he was going on Annual leave in a couple of days. 

Even though Stan was blamed for a lot, he was only there for the first week of the investigation and then he was on Holiday, not quite sure but i think it's about the begining of Sept end of Aug he's back at work?

Even down to the 30th of August, RWB went to see Barlow for updates and to offer more information, he asked Barlow   [who had taken over from DS Jones since the 15th]   if they had any results from the Silencer test, Barlow hadn't a clue what he was on about, he didn't know a Silencer had been found, he sort of Bluffed his way through it and said Nothing had come back yet?

This is the level of importance they had put on the Silencer, rightly or wrongly that's why no statements were ever taken in my view?

[Roch]

Interesting posts HB.

[snow66!]

It's still no!

'No' doesn't answer the question of why SOCO didn't search the buckets Zoso!

[Jane]

'No' doesn't answer the question of why SOCO didn't search the buckets Zoso!

I believe you said the clothes from the two buckets were "strewn all over the floor"? What do you think the police would find in empty buckets, and why would they search them?

[snow66!]

I believe you said the clothes from the two buckets were "strewn all over the floor"? What do you think the police would find in empty buckets, and why would they search them?

Ah yes,got you Jane! Clumsily phrased,as ever!
Yes, all that I was asking was, why didn't the SOCO team search the two plastic buckets sitting on the kitchen floor?
I didn't mean that the clothes from the bucket were strewn all over the floor, just the buckets, which was a silly thing to say!

[Zoso]

Ah yes,got you Jane! Clumsily phrased,as ever!
Yes, all that I was asking was, why didn't the SOCO team search the two plastic buckets sitting on the kitchen floor?
I didn't mean that the clothes from the bucket were strewn all over the floor, just the buckets, which was a silly thing to say!

Search the buckets for what?

[Zoso]

'No' doesn't answer the question of why SOCO didn't search the buckets Zoso!

Well, given that Taff called 4 murders and a suicide - what would they be searching buckets for? And how do you know they didn't? Had they done, they would have found two pairs of kids jogging pants and a pair of dirty knickers. What would you expect them to learn from that?

[Zoso]

Hello HB, hope you are well. ngb posted about this recently, to say he was not confident that CC is Curiosity. I don't think CC is Curiosity either. However, I think David and Adam had suggested they were the same. ngb also stated that he knows for a fact that Munska wasn't CC.  We are hoping it will die off.

This shouldn't even be an issue now. Munska is someone I know away from the forum.

[Cambridgecutie]

Even down to the 30th of August, RWB went to see Barlow for updates and to offer more information, he asked Barlow   [who had taken over from DS Jones since the 15th]   if they had any results from the Silencer test, Barlow hadn't a clue what he was on about, he didn't know a Silencer had been found, he sort of Bluffed his way through it and said Nothing had come back yet?

This is the level of importance they had put on the Silencer, rightly or wrongly that's why no statements were ever taken in my view?

That's not surprising when you consider for whatever reason(s) DS Jones did not enter the silencer exhibit into the correct record book.  He was a very exprienced officer and would have understood the processes and systems.  Why did he circumvent the system?