Julie Charged As An Accomplice To Murder?

[Hardy Boy]

Julie for Jeremy, should be his number one priority, her testimony is one of two key reasons he has spent 39 years rotting in jail.

For me it's the Silencer, Julie Mudford testimony although damaging, it would be hard because it was hear say evidence and word against word?  Unless she say's she made a complete lie up about Jeremy, i don't see how it can be proved?  Maybe the NOW deal, but that seems dead now?

[Roch]

Thank you for confirming HB, that Mugford should have done time.

[Adam]

I've always looked at the case from every angle. And I totally can envisage the scenario of them being in it together.

I suppose though if that's the case she was taking a gamble herself on the event he confessed and implicated her? Even to this day, imagine if he confessed and implicated her. If this is the case she must have never had a decent night's sleep.

I can see why he would maintain innocence if they were in league together as screwing her over wouldn't bring him freedom. They'd be nothing in it for him to gain apart from putting Julie behind bars as well.

They were in it together. Her WS says so.

But she didn't pull the trigger and approached the police before they approached her.

[ILB]

They were in it together. Her WS says so.

But she didn't pull the trigger and approached the police before they approached her.

In it together?

She claims she didn't have nothing to do with the planning and never believed he would carry it out...

[Adam]

In it together?

She claims she didn't have nothing to do with the planning and never believed he would carry it out...

She stayed with him. Didn't try to stop him or alert the relatives/police beforehand. 

Supplied him with her sleeping tablets and suggested he didn't burn down WHF.

She didn't warn Nevill or the police a few hours beforehand. Despite seeing the bike at Goldhanger and Bamber saying 'tonights the night'.

Afterwards she didn't approch the police for a month.

[Adam]

She also robbed the caravan site with him & told her about the cheque book fraud. Which created a trust regarding crimes.

I believe her WS that she didn't like talk of murder. But seems she didn't discourage him much. So indirectly was in it with him.

[Adam]

She didn't believe he would do it. But once he did, she was in it with him.

Don't believe she delayed going to the police after the massacre because she wanted to enjoy Bamber's fortune. If she wanted money she would have accepted June's offer to buy her a house.

[Hardy Boy]

She didn't believe he would do it. But once he did, she was in it with him.

Don't believe she delayed going to the police after the massacre because she wanted to enjoy Bamber's fortune. If she wanted money she would have accepted June's offer to buy her a house.

I agree with most of what you say Adam, i'm not comfortable with what she say's about June buying her a flat, so June offers to buy a flat in London for someone she hardly knows and refers to as a Harlot or loose woman.  If anything maybe June offered to put her up somewhere but not in name or ownership?  June had no idea at this stage how the relationship would continue,  i think this is Julie's way of trying to portray herself as not being a Gold Digger.

[ILB]

She didn't believe he would do it. But once he did, she was in it with him.

She was in it with him if she had kept quiet. Whether she had stayed with him or split up.

She's either an innocent woman or in it with him. Either one or the other

Bamber must have been confident she wouldn't grass him the morning of the massacre. He'd have no idea how she'd react

[Hardy Boy]

She also robbed the caravan site with him & told her about the cheque book fraud. Which created a trust regarding crimes.

I believe her WS that she didn't like talk of murder. But seems she didn't discourage him much. So indirectly was in it with him.

I agree, Bamber had invested a lot of confidence in Julie,  she was always on board with what he said, but he tired of her as the relationship progressed, he could not rid of her before the murders because Julie would have transpired to friends ,  nothing to stop her going to Police if he carried it out, she's not with him and not implicated at this stage. 

Bamber would naturally think it better once he had done the murders and the heat was off him,  who would believe Julie now,  Bodies gone, evidence destroyed, Taff on Board,  Julie still keeping Schtum but implicated, plan A executed [murders], now for pan B [Julie]

[Adam]

She was in it with him if she had kept quiet. Whether she had stayed with him or split up.

She's either an innocent woman or in it with him. Either one or the other

Bamber must have been confident she wouldn't grass him the morning of the massacre. He'd have no idea how she'd react

Agree she was in it with him while she kept quiet.

In late August she was no longer in it with him as had started telling people.

[Adam]

I agree with most of what you say Adam, i'm not comfortable with what she say's about June buying her a flat, so June offers to buy a flat in London for someone she hardly knows and refers to as a Harlot or loose woman.  If anything maybe June offered to put her up somewhere but not in name or ownership?  June had no idea at this stage how the relationship would continue,  i think this is Julie's way of trying to portray herself as not being a Gold Digger.

Julie's WS & Bamber's interviews mention about buying her a property.

Thought it was near WHF rather than London.

Her own place at that age would be good going.

[Adam]

I agree, Bamber had invested a lot of confidence in Julie,  she was always on board with what he said, but he tired of her as the relationship progressed, he could not rid of her before the murders because Julie would have transpired to friends ,  nothing to stop her going to Police if he carried it out, she's not with him and not implicated at this stage. 

Bamber would naturally think it better once he had done the murders and the heat was off him,  who would believe Julie now,  Bodies gone, evidence destroyed, Taff on Board,  Julie still keeping Schtum but implicated, plan A executed [murders], now for pan B [Julie]

That is an interesting hyperthetical question.

If they had split up 3-6 months earlier would Julie have approached the police?

She may not have even known about it if not reading the papers or watching TV.

Bamber certainly would not have phoned her 3 times in 7 hours and got a police car to pick her up.

[Hardy Boy]

Julie's WS & Bamber's interviews mention about buying her a property.

Thought it was near WHF rather than London.

Her own place at that age would be good going.

It was offered in Colchester or London so she say's, yes she does say Buy, but that is a long shot to buy someone you hardly know, and think is a Harlot or Loose woman and not sure how the relationship would progress, that's why i question the BUY bit,  the person to deny such is not around anymore?  I'm not saying that June didn't want her out the way, but maybe June was quite prepared to pay rent for the short term?

[Hardy Boy]

That is an interesting hyperthetical question.

If they had split up 3-6 months earlier would Julie have approached the police?

She may not have even known about it if not reading the papers or watching TV.

Bamber certainly would not have phoned her 3 times in 7 hours and got a police car to pick her up.

He had first mentioned it in oct/nov 84 and then it become a constant trickle, i don't think anyone would forget what their past boyfriend had revealed especially killing his parents and sister and the Twins,  so i'm pretty certain with nothing to lose she would have told the Police and her friends?  Wouldn't you find it strange if your past Partner had revealed their intention to kill their family on several occasions and then it happens?

It was all over the News and i'm pretty certain she would have seen this, especially coming from Essex herself,  even one of her friends would have told her about her ex Boyfriend?