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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #120 on: July 15, 2025, 09:56:PM »
Israel are not fighting for their existence. They're fighting for Zionist hegemony in the middle east, as part of US hegemony globally.

Absolutely true Roch. More and more, including Jews who have hitherto supported Israel, are now speaking out. It is only a matter of time before this unravels. 

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #121 on: July 15, 2025, 10:08:PM »
Absolutely true Roch. More and more, including Jews who have hitherto supported Israel, are now speaking out. It is only a matter of time before this unravels.

I genuinely feel sorry for reasonable Israelis who are caught up in it all. Especially the ones who are against Israel's policies. Iran showed how vulnerable Israel really is. And those decent Israelis are trapped there. 

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #122 on: July 15, 2025, 10:45:PM »
Israel are not fighting for their existence. They're fighting for Zionist hegemony in the middle east, as part of US hegemony globally.

I genuinely feel sorry for reasonable Israelis who are caught up in it all. Especially the ones who are against Israel's policies. Iran showed how vulnerable Israel really is. And those decent Israelis are trapped there. 

One minute they are hegemony next minute they are vulnerable. Make your mind up.

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #123 on: July 16, 2025, 08:48:AM »
One minute they are hegemony next minute they are vulnerable. Make your mind up.

They have been aggressively striving for hegemony, by using superior intelligence and cutting-edge weaponry. Quite why they took the risk of attacking Iran is beyond my comprehension. It backfired massively and has exposed how weak they actually are. Two more weeks of the pounding Israel got and they would have been on their knees. They have never been hit so hard and to such an extent. The plan they had for Iran was pure fantasy. Heads should role.

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #124 on: July 16, 2025, 05:28:PM »
They have been aggressively striving for hegemony, by using superior intelligence and cutting-edge weaponry. Quite why they took the risk of attacking Iran is beyond my comprehension. It backfired massively and has exposed how weak they actually are. Two more weeks of the pounding Israel got and they would have been on their knees. They have never been hit so hard and to such an extent. The plan they had for Iran was pure fantasy. Heads should role.

Where on earth do you get all this nonsense?

31 Iranian rockets landed. While Israel accomplish the following.


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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #125 on: July 16, 2025, 06:10:PM »
Israel are not fighting for their existence. They're fighting for Zionist hegemony in the middle east, as part of US hegemony globally.
You mean 15 million Jews worldwide are not fighting for their existence against 2 billion Muslims?

https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinian-president-mahmoud-abbas-jews-have-no-right-defile-al-aqsa-mosque-their-filthy-feet
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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #126 on: July 16, 2025, 06:50:PM »
You mean 15 million Jews worldwide are not fighting for their existence against 2 billion Muslims?

https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinian-president-mahmoud-abbas-jews-have-no-right-defile-al-aqsa-mosque-their-filthy-feet

Seem to get on fine in Gateshead.
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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #127 on: July 16, 2025, 06:50:PM »
Where on earth do you get all this nonsense?

31 Iranian rockets landed. While Israel accomplish the following.



Pop over to the Iran Strike thread.

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #128 on: July 17, 2025, 10:57:AM »
Heaven help us Steve!  I really do not understand your outlook.  I do think you are likely to regret the position you have adopted, because I honestly believe that history will judge Israel and its supporters very harshly.   This is not going to end well.  I honestly do not understand your view on this.  You are clearly a man of faith who believes in the teachings of the New Testament.  How can you you condone such evil?



Neil, being totally non political, I can only see this from a close up and personal view point. Through my life, I've had the pleasure of numerous Jewish friends -once accepted into one family, one then becomes accepted by their wider family and friends- and nominated an 'honorary Jew", something I was enormously proud of. I feel certain these friends gave me far more than I gave them, however.............and I have to take a deep breath before saying it, I noticed, in all, however 'high' they'd risen, a deep, underlying anger. A sense of being hard done by? A sense of being denied something which was rightfully theirs? A sense that, if they didn't keep their hands tightly on the reins, they'd lose what they had? It seems to me that History says this feeling is justified. Were they not displaced back in Biblical times? Have they not been trying to find permanency ever since? I believe  that "Next year, in Jerusalem" runs deep and generational. It's the ultimate aim from way back.

It seems to me that anti Semitism is as alive and well, now, as it was when Moseley was preaching it. Closer to home, my partner holds the same view. A child, in the thirties, in an upper middle class family, it's what he grew up with. I doubt that they, or he, have ever been closely acquainted with Jews, other than as tradesmen. To me, the answer is simple, we all need a space that we feel is ours. To deny this right to a whole nation -or only allow it with huge restrictions- is never going to bring a peaceable result.

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #129 on: July 17, 2025, 11:21:AM »
If Steve was ever trapped on a desert island, this would be his ideal list of stranded fellows along side him:
Melanie Phillips
Maureen Lipman
Margaret Hodge
Luciana Berger
Rachel Riley
Angela Eagle
Bezalel Smotric
Ian Austin
Itmar Ben Gvir
David Cameron
Priti Patel
Suela Braverman
Yvette Cooper
James Whale
Israel Katz

What a campfire to sit around that would be.


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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #130 on: July 17, 2025, 11:50:AM »
If Steve was ever trapped on a desert island, this would be his ideal list of stranded fellows along side him:
Melanie Phillips
Maureen Lipman
Margaret Hodge
Luciana Berger
Rachel Riley
Angela Eagle
Bezalel Smotric
Ian Austin
Itmar Ben Gvir
David Cameron
Priti Patel
Suela Braverman
Yvette Cooper
James Whale
Israel Katz

What a campfire to sit around that would be.

What a terrible collection!


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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #131 on: July 17, 2025, 11:59:AM »
What a terrible collection!

Horrific!

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #132 on: July 17, 2025, 12:16:PM »
Horrific!

You could add Ephraim Mirvis, Tzipi Hotovely and Mark Regev
to the list.  That would complete the horror show.


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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #133 on: July 17, 2025, 12:26:PM »
You could add Ephraim Mirvis, Tzipi Hotovely and Mark Regev
to the list.  That would complete the horror show.

Not heard of the first one but was going to add Hotovely! Think she is a poster girl for Steve and David.

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Re: Melanie Phillips: The case for Israel
« Reply #134 on: July 17, 2025, 06:29:PM »
If Steve was ever trapped on a desert island, this would be his ideal list of stranded fellows along side him:
Melanie Phillips
Maureen Lipman
Margaret Hodge
Luciana Berger
Rachel Riley
Angela Eagle
Bezalel Smotric
Ian Austin
Itmar Ben Gvir
David Cameron
Priti Patel
Suela Braverman
Yvette Cooper
James Whale
Israel Katz

What a campfire to sit around that would be.
..and these are Roch's and NGB1066's companions:

(in no particular order)

Karl Marx
Friedrich Engels
Wolf Tone
Rosa Luxemburg
Colonel Gaddafi
Gerry Adams
Martin McGuinness
Father Patrick Ryan
Patrick Magee
Mick McGahey
Bob Vylan
Mahmoud Abbas