Anyway, back to Discussion, why do you think the Police Put Neville's head in the Coal Scuttle when they moved him Bubo?
I spelled this out just 12 days ago in response to your post.
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11621.msg564306.html#msg564306He was not on a stool he was balanced on the side of an upturned chair.
Here is part of an earlier post. I find the position of NB's head falling exactly on the scuttle improbable.
Of course there are other reasons for moving him e.g. to assist with death certification but perhaps more importantly to gain access to the fire box in the Aga to burn items (DB2 fire debris) However, these issues required him to be put in another position. Or did the long shot come up?
The problem is the margins for the final positioning are quite fine, with centimetres one way or another determining the final outcome. A small difference would mean he would miss the scuttle possibly even toppling it and we know he had no injuries to suggest his head/face hit the top of the scuttle with any force. Maybe some physicist could calculate the likelihood of such odds?
Neville looks as if he was in full rigor and the scuttle may have been required to ensure he was suitably balanced. The heat from the AGA would have speeded up the process of rigor mortis.
If this were the case, then if he was not supported his head would be touching the ground and his frozen leg position would mean the bottom of his feet would be facing upwards. He had been moved because otherwise gravity would have determined his positioning. The top half of his body would be heavier than the lower part. In these circumstances it would be obvious he had been moved. The middle of his body would be the fulcrum and he would be like a seesaw with one end heavier than the other.
Moving him would also facilitate the counting of how many times he had been shot. IMO the TFG burned evidence of their clean-up operation particularly any bloodied items in the Aga. For example, protective items as outlined in the fire debris contents. I doubt the jeans and what looks like a white towel, were the only materials used? Were they moved from the cushions so that the nursing scene was dismantled?
The coal scuttle appears to be on top of the jeans in the pictures I have seen.
When the police/SOCO started their cover-up the focus would be on trying to piece together, a scenario which had some semblance of reality as far as was possible and in as great a detail they could achieve. For this reason, I do not discount them firing additional shots to NB’s head to give credence to the fact that he had not been moved.
If Neville was moved this could have given rise to another problem. If as now seems more likely he had been burnt by the Aga on his back say by the drain tap (now identified by Boyce as parts of the firebox door), while being attacked or during the process of being moved, how he obtained these marks would be questioned since it would not be possible if he had merely been tipped out of the chair. I refer to the uppermost burn mark which is different in appearance from the lower two
This from another post
The body of Nevill is in a most peculiar position. (see silhouette picture. Can someone post this not in forum files?) I believe if you were to lay him on his side he would be said to be in the foetal position. I think it most unlikely that he would have fallen in such a way as to land squarely in the scuttle. He could have collapsed missing the scuttle on either side this would be perfectly possible but a direct alignment improbable. The odds on this happening would I suggest be high. Perhaps if we have a physicist on the forum they could calculate the likely probability.
I believe Nevill died in a foetal position with his back to the AGA. Studies from the First World War and other studies show that humans dying in pain tend to adopt this position. I believe he was struck with a rifle which on the upstrokes connected with the underside of the mantel causing chips and possibly some scratching. These marks as opposed to others that may have been made later were on the underside rather than the facia and would only be visible by looking underneath.
I also propose that June tended Nevill at some stage. If you do not believe June was shot five times in bed this is clearly a possibility. It is also likely that she prayed over him. Wasn’t another bible found in the kitchen? It is also probable that she was covered in his blood through contact. Some remaining evidence of this is the placement of four seat cushions one atop another which I suggest was done to support his head where he lay. If you were trying to contain blood flow I am sure one would have been sufficient and there were other items which would have done a better job. She may have used a towel or some other material to preserve the cushions but it is more likely that the police added to the pile to hide any blood on the top cushion.
Given the heat from the Aga it is likely that he went into RM quite quickly. Unfortunately the police needed access to the Aga for the burning of the accoutrements they had used in their staging activities and this was proving too slow with him in the way. If they did any burning with him in situ the Aga would get very hot because it was designed for burning coal not material which combusts differently. (Burns with more flame). He had to be moved to speed up the process. SOCO and other teams were waiting to do their stuff..
