Emma Morris

[Adam]

Neither the defence or prosecution have suggested Nevill was with Sheila when she tried to reload.

Nevill would have instantly stopped her and put everything away.

Nevill was ambushed in bed. Found bare footed in pyjama's.

[Adam]

I don't believe Nevill would start phoning Bamber's AM after being shot 4 times in/by his bed. 

He would disarm Sheila. Something he was perfectly capable of doing even after 4 shots.

However this is the defence case.

[Adam]

The defence say Sheila went downstairs, prepared the rifle in the kitchen (where Crispy was) & went upstairs while everyone slept.

Obviously this means Bamber was perfectly able to creep upstairs while everyone still slept. He didn't even need to go into the kitchen. 

[Jane]

I don't agree with the idea that JB was imitating a third-rate Annie Oakley. Far too risky, because he wanted them all dead in quick succession with 2 headshots each (assuming only one magazine), otherwise his long-thought-out plan could fail. His parents were awake and aware, possibly alerted by Crispy's yapping because it was disturbed by the noise of someone moving around after dark when everyone was supposed to be asleep. Nevill being the family protector was getting out of bed when his son entered the room who then panicked and under stress fired off enough shots to halt or slow down any effective resistance, before he had to load up again.

But what better way of placing the crime at her door, than imitating her ineptitude with the weapon? Certainly, there are numerous things which could have/MAY have gone wrong. Other than having to shoot her twice, it all went rather well. Or, more importantly, he was satisfied with his work. It's we who are worried about the "What if's" and "Supposing's" on his behalf in a way he didn't seem to be.

[ILB]

The defence case is Sheila went downstairs, loaded, returned upstairs.

Sheila then shot Nevill and June 9 times while they were in bed.

Nevill got downstairs and started phoning Bamber's AM.

The prosecution say Nevill couldn't have spoken on the phone after his two face shots.

The defence case n 1986 was fundamentally Shelia Caffell murdered her parents and two children before committing suicide.

Like me and you with our scenarios, they are none the wiser to what happened. Relying on pure guesswork and presenting their case that Jeremy Bamber was innocent.

[ILB]

Looking at the wounds ILB the two shots to Sheila were in quick succession, would this be the case if JB was the shooter? He would have hesitated etc. not knowing what to do.

If he shot her twice he has only done this due to the fact he was not satisfied in the first shot causing her demise.

Whether he took a pulse or made that conclusion from a simple visual.

[Adam]

The defence case that Sheila prepared the rifle is instantly flawed. Sheila did not know how to and was too drowsy, unbalanced and uncordinated.

But the defence have a duty to represent their client.

[ILB]

I don't believe Nevill would start phoning Bamber's AM after being shot 4 times in/by his bed. 

He would disarm Sheila. Something he was perfectly capable of doing even after 4 shots.

However this is the defence case.

Physically he could disarm Shelia. Put the gun back in the cupboard, return to bed and fall asleep again. Nobody is doubting that. He outstrips Shelia in height and weight capacity.

However that doesn't calm Shelia if she is having an episode.

It doesn't rule out a turn of events that led him to ring Jeremy. Whether being at gun point, finding out the children were dead. Their are all sorts of scenarios we can all envisage.

Doesn't make Jeremy Bamber innocent, but at the same time nothing conclusive rules out Nevill calling Bamber. This is udisputed fact. The prosecution saying Nevill couldn't speak due to gunshot injury doesn't harm this proposethis. They don't know what took place and when are are merely speculating. He may have got the injury after the phonecall to Bamber.

nothing from lack of phone record to a common sense approach

Just look at this instance on itself and weigh it up, don't reply " 200 pieces of evidence 85 pieces of evidence  44 pieces of evidence.

[Adam]

Neither the defence or prosecution suggested Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM while fully fit.

This would not be plausible to the jury. A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated the issue.

Nevill starting to phone Bamber's AM after being shot 4 times is just as implausible. But the defence have to go with this.

[ILB]

Neither the defence or prosecution suggested Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM while fully fit.

This would not be plausible to the jury. A fully fit Nevill would have instantly negated the issue.

Nevill starting to phone Bamber's AM after being shot 4 times is just as implausible. But the defence have to go with this.

Well the defence certainly did. The phonecall from Nevill Bamber is the cornerstone of Jeremy Bambers case from the beginning......

[ILB]

The defence case that Sheila prepared the rifle is instantly flawed. Sheila did not know how to and was too drowsy, unbalanced and uncordinated.

But the defence have a duty to represent their client.

I appreciate you are trolling and getting irate but Bambers case is he left a loaded rifle.

[Adam]

Well the defence certainly did. The phonecall from Nevill Bamber is the cornerstone of Jeremy Bambers case from the beginning......

The defence said Nevill started ringing Bamber's AM after he was shot 4 times in/by his bed.

Resulting in the prosecution's counter that Nevill would not have been able to speak.

[Adam]

The defence saying Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM while fully fit was not an option..

Firstly Sheila hadn't gone crazy. No bullets had been fired.

Secondly Nevill would have instantly stopped her attempting to load instead.

[ILB]

The defence said Nevill started ringing Bamber's AM after he was shot 4 times in/by his bed.

Resulting in the prosecution's counter that Nevill would not have been able to speak.

Source please.

Of Geoffrey Rivlin QC opening speech

You are making claims that must be backed up via foundation

[ILB]

The defence saying Nevill started phoning Bamber's AM while fully fit was not an option..

Firstly Sheila hadn't gone crazy. No bullets had been fired.

Secondly Nevill would have instantly stopped her attempting to load instead.

Totally disagree.