Emma Morris

[Jane]

Yes. It was a suicide victim. Shooting them twice is suspicious.

DS Jones thought so.

He had no time constraints. Even Adam admits this

That is so, but it's so much easier with the luxury of hindsight. JB had time, but didn't know how much.

[David1819]

Wonder how long she would have taken to die after that one shot.

A long time ago I posted an extract from a French study that looked into this sort of injury. If memory serves she would have lost consciousness in around 6 seconds.

I will see if I can find it.

[Rob_]

The trouble with Bamber, he had to move quick and get out/home to make the call, he had two choices leave her alive and hoped she died, or make sure himself, i suppose this goes back to what we discussed ILB with Neville, Sheila didn't have to make sure everyone was dead, Bamber did?  the Killer had seen it was taking a lot of shots to kill everyone, so he possibly thought that one shot wouldn't do it in the end?

It was not taking a lot of shots to kill the victims, it was Bamber trying to make the shooter look like Sheila who could not hit a barn door.

A single shot to the head from a .22 by someone who knows what they are doing is fatal.

Bamber was a good shot he could easily have carried out the shootings with one magazine if he wanted to. 

[Hardy Boy]

It was not taking a lot of shots to kill the victims, it was Bamber trying to make the shooter look like Sheila who could not hit a barn door.

A single shot to the head from a .22 by someone who knows what they are doing is fatal.

Bamber was a good shot he could easily have carried out the shootings with one magazine if he wanted to.

I agree

[Jane]

It was not taking a lot of shots to kill the victims, it was Bamber trying to make the shooter look like Sheila who could not hit a barn door.

A single shot to the head from a .22 by someone who knows what they are doing is fatal.

Bamber was a good shot he could easily have carried out the shootings with one magazine if he wanted to.

I think all of that is exactly what those who are pro guilt have always claimed.

[ILB]

That is so, but it's so much easier with the luxury of hindsight. JB had time, but didn't know how much.

He would have known what time the farm workers would report to duty. He would be there.

The statement of Alan Fraser bell says that the workers would take direction off Nevill or Jeremy every morning on what their duties for the day was. That Wednesday morning to all extent and purposes would have just been a normal day at the farm.

If the workers could not get in touch with Nevill. They'd phone Bamber up. Don't believe they'd try kicking the door in. At the stage they'd be none the wiser of events. The first port of call would be Bamber to see what was going off.That would anyway only take place if they arrived at the farm before Bamber did. ( In the event he did not ring police)

With this in mind he would know he would have had ample time to watch Shelia demise after one shot and then go home and set the stage in motion. As we both said, it must have been a knee jerk reaction to shoot twice. A bad mistake in my eyes

[Rob_]

I think all of that is exactly what those who are pro guilt have always claimed.

But when looked at in context Jane such as all the wounds to Nevil which are common in cases of killings by people with schizophrenia I am certain the shooter was Sheila.

In reality JB would have only used one magazine, and he would never never have left the silencer in the cupboard.

[ILB]

But when looked at in context Jane such as all the wounds to Nevil which are common in cases of killings by people with schizophrenia I am certain the shooter was Sheila.

In reality JB would have only used one magazine, and he would never never have left the silencer in the cupboard.

I think Jeremy if a gulity party just expected to be believed. That Shelia had gone crazy and murdered the family. Using her mental health problems as the scapegoat.

Post massacre there is very little to suggest he was trying to cover his tracks. He just got on with his life. He at no times appeared to be under pressure with the ever growing police suspicion.

Only instance I can see potentially him covering his tracks is the " entering the window to get my car documents" post massacre post police interviews on bail, but it's believable he had probably many times entered via that window in his life in all honesty in his teens and adolsence

[Hardy Boy]

But when looked at in context Jane such as all the wounds to Nevil which are common in cases of killings by people with schizophrenia I am certain the shooter was Sheila.

In reality JB would have only used one magazine, and he would never never have left the silencer in the cupboard.

You Answered it yourself................it was Bamber trying to make the shooter look like Sheila who could not hit a barn door.

[Rob_]

You Answered it yourself................it was Bamber trying to make the shooter look like Sheila who could not hit a barn door.

It's one explanation but it's not what I think as you know.

[ILB]

A long time ago I posted an extract from a French study that looked into this sort of injury. If memory serves she would have lost consciousness in around 6 seconds.

I will see if I can find it.

That means of course from a Shelia gulity scenario she's had to pull the trigger a second time pretty quickly.

When you think about it though six seconds is quite ample to do so when you stop and just count six seconds when considering the event.

[Rob_]

That means of course from a Shelia gulity scenario she's had to pull the trigger a second time pretty quickly.

When you think about it though six seconds is quite ample to do so when you stop and just count six seconds when considering the event.

Looking at the wounds ILB the two shots to Sheila were in quick succession, would this be the case if JB was the shooter? He would have hesitated etc. not knowing what to do.

[Jane]

But when looked at in context Jane such as all the wounds to Nevil which are common in cases of killings by people with schizophrenia I am certain the shooter was Sheila.

In reality JB would have only used one magazine, and he would never never have left the silencer in the cupboard.

Certainly, JB, shooting as himself eager to demonstrate his prowess, would only have needed one magazine, but this was JB needing to make it appear to have been the work of his deranged sister, who may, at one time, have fired a gun, but the chances are high against her ever having aimed one.

[Adam]

The defence case is Sheila went downstairs, loaded, returned upstairs.

Sheila then shot Nevill and June 9 times while they were in bed.

Nevill got downstairs and started phoning Bamber's AM.

The prosecution say Nevill couldn't have spoken on the phone after his two face shots.

[Curiosity]

Certainly, JB, shooting as himself eager to demonstrate his prowess, would only have needed one magazine, but this was JB needing to make it appear to have been the work of his deranged sister, who may, at one time, have fired a gun, but the chances are high against her ever having aimed one.

I don't agree with the idea that JB was imitating a third-rate Annie Oakley. Far too risky, because he wanted them all dead in quick succession with 2 headshots each (assuming only one magazine), otherwise his long-thought-out plan could fail. His parents were awake and aware, possibly alerted by Crispy's yapping because it was disturbed by the noise of someone moving around after dark when everyone was supposed to be asleep. Nevill being the family protector was getting out of bed when his son entered the room who then panicked and under stress fired off enough shots to halt or slow down any effective resistance, before he had to load up again.