Emma Morris

[Adam]

Believe BuboBubo's scenario is -

June shot Sheila with a shot gun.

The raid team shot a still alive June upon entrance.

To cover this up, Sheila was lifted from her room into the main bedroom.

Nevill was lifted from the aga to the chair/coal scuttle. So items could be burned by the police in the aga.

The murder/suicide stance changed to murder later in the month.

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This differs from Snow's scenario which has Nevill being knocked out and then waking again to phone Jeremy.

Not sure of Rob's scenario.

[Adam]

Not sure who would want to create a cover up inside WHF.

The Raid Team:

Doing there job in shooting June.

Unlikely to be inside WHF for long after they have clarified all residents are dead. No time to stage.

Essex Police:

They did not shoot June. So no need to cover it up.

[Hardy Boy]

Well,thats Bubo,Rob and myself put in our place HB!

We start our investigations by collecting all the papers that we need. These are things like the files from the court where you were convicted and any papers from previous appeals.

Do you honestly think they will jump from Boyce's video about the burns to a referal and ignore how Neville ended up on the chair with his head in the coal Scuttle?  Boyce the EXPERT who not long back was convinced the burns were caused by the rifle minus a silencer while Neville was in Situ

[Hardy Boy]

Well,in my scenario it does Zoso!

Just remind us Snow how long Neville was unconscious for against the AGA?  Do you think this is when the rifle stock got broken when Sheila battered Neville and left him hours aside the AGA? 

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[Hardy Boy]

Not sure who would want to create a cover up inside WHF.

The Raid Team:

Doing there job in shooting June.

Unlikely to be inside WHF for long after they have clarified all residents are dead. No time to stage.

Essex Police:

They did not shoot June. So no need to cover it up.

Bubo say's the raid team shot June and moved Neville, then it was the Police who moved Neville, then it was the 2nd raid team who went in after the first raid team and moved Neville and then it was DR Craig who ordered Neville to be moved because he couldn't get to Neville's body to certify death because he was buried under chairs,  all this fits in with the Police wanting to burn Material in the AGA after Shooting June?

[Adam]

Bubo say's the raid team shot June and moved Neville, then it was the Police who moved Neville, then it was the 2nd raid team who went in after the first raid team and moved Neville and then it was DR Craig who ordered Neville to be moved because he couldn't get to Neville's body to certify death because he was buried under chairs,  all this fits in with the Police wanting to burn Material in the AGA after Shooting June?

Second raid team?

[Hardy Boy]

Second raid team?

Yes, there was two teams, the second team was called for later by Adams,  but some members of the second raid team joined in with the initial entry.

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[Curiosity]

We start our investigations by collecting all the papers that we need. These are things like the files from the court where you were convicted and any papers from previous appeals.

Do you honestly think they will jump from Boyce's video about the burns to a referal and ignore how Neville ended up on the chair with his head in the coal Scuttle?  Boyce the EXPERT who not long back was convinced the burns were caused by the rifle minus a silencer while Neville was in Situ

If at first you don't succeed with the silly "heating the rifle to 200 degrees C. on a AGA hotplate" scenario, try again with an even less likely one of claiming the burns could have been caused by a handle and catch low down on the AGA at a much lower, lukewarm temperature.

Extract re. the Boyce report from the 2012 Judicial Review Judgement.



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[snow66!]

Just remind us Snow how long Neville was unconscious for against the AGA?  Do you think this is when the rifle stock got broken when Sheila battered Neville and left him hours aside the AGA? 

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Well the CT are obviously claiming that Nevill was laid against the Aga from 3.30-7.35 at least HB!
If it took all that time for the burns to form then my scenario is wrong.If Nevill phoned JB at 3.10-15 that means he would have been lying by the Aga since 10.15,which is not possible!
Dont know if you burn quicker or slower after death.The CT have Nevill dead by the time he is lying against the Aga remember!
Cant say much more until Boyce reveals all the results of his Aga experiments.

[Rob_]

I don't know what most of that means, Rob. Perpendicular? Hypotenuse distance? An entirely foreign language to me. I imagine it may be said that I measured perpendicularly? I also included the distances between those points which stood proud of others. It can surely be said that a distance between two points is going to be the same from whatever position they're taken from?

I don't see why the AGA would need to be running at 200 degrees over night at the height of summer. Indeed, with other means of cooking and heating water, I'm not sure why it needs to be on at all, and as for moving Nevill to gain access to the ash door to burn incriminating evidence? All I can say is that they had very little idea of how AGAs work. Doing such would be a sure fire way of defiring it..........provided it was on in the first place!

I did not explain it vey well Jane but the angle the camera is pointing at will effect the apparent distance between the three points on the Aga that Boyce thinks may have caused the burns.

For example if the projection of the handle is 1 unit and the vertical distance between them is 1 unit the distance you will measure will the square route of 2 but a photo taken square will show an apparent distance of 1.

I am sure Boyce's dimensions will work if this effect is taken into account?

[Zoso]

Bubo say's the raid team shot June and moved Neville, then it was the Police who moved Neville, then it was the 2nd raid team who went in after the first raid team and moved Neville and then it was DR Craig who ordered Neville to be moved because he couldn't get to Neville's body to certify death because he was buried under chairs,  all this fits in with the Police wanting to burn Material in the AGA after Shooting June?

Well it sounds silly when you say it like that ....... oh hang on! 

Nevill was never moved, he bled profusely from his head injuries and the blood can be seen on the coal scuttle where it ran from his wounds, trailing down the scuttle and pooling at the base.

[Curiosity]

Well it sounds silly when you say it like that ....... oh hang on! 

Nevill was never moved, he bled profusely from his head injuries and the blood can be seen on the coal scuttle where it ran from his wounds, trailing down the scuttle and pooling at the base.

Exactly so.  Yet some numpties still think Essex Police recreated the kitchen crime scene.

[Hardy Boy]

Well it sounds silly when you say it like that ....... oh hang on! 

Nevill was never moved, he bled profusely from his head injuries and the blood can be seen on the coal scuttle where it ran from his wounds, trailing down the scuttle and pooling at the base.

Some posters are not bothered if it sounds silly or not Zoso,   They’re trying to appear as if they know what they’re talking about,  so long as it's put  out there on the Internet,  the intention is to make statements or video's intended to sell people on falsehoods.

That's why i stuck with the Boyce Video and Bubo's claim, if Bamber is innocent and there is evidence to prove it,  i will back it 100 per cent,  i will always challenge BS though.
 

[Curiosity]

I did not explain it vey well Jane but the angle the camera is pointing at will effect the apparent distance between the three points on the Aga that Boyce thinks may have caused the burns.

For example if the projection of the handle is 1 unit and the vertical distance between them is 1 unit the distance you will measure will the square route of 2 but a photo taken square will show an apparent distance of 1.

I am sure Boyce's dimensions will work if this effect is taken into account?

If Jane was confused before, I'm certain she'll be even more flummoxed now.

[Hardy Boy]

I did not explain it vey well Jane but the angle the camera is pointing at will effect the apparent distance between the three points on the Aga that Boyce thinks may have caused the burns.

For example if the projection of the handle is 1 unit and the vertical distance between them is 1 unit the distance you will measure will the square route of 2 but a photo taken square will show an apparent distance of 1.

I am sure Boyce's dimensions will work if this effect is taken into account?

Should be easy for you to work out Jane,  what are you finding hard to understand,  can you go back and work on the x and y principle for us?  Rob has explained things a lot better this time for you.

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